Only 17 months for this!! :(

[renault12ts]

The cyclist was clearly ahead....IMHO. .

To clear up any confusion (it has happened already on this thread) this is the clip I am referring to:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17069235

The bus being ahead at 31 seconds until 35 seconds.

 

[Scott_F]

The cyclist was moving quickly and caught the slower bus, who was already half in the lane. In normal circumstances a car would have slowed and allowed the bus in. The cyclist did not slow, did not observe, and used his size to squeeze beside the bus and cause what happened after this.

So what you're saying is that the bus undertook a vehicle on his offside and barged into his lane.

Who says that a car would have slowed down ?? Any vehicle in that lane is not obliged to slow down to allow an undertaker to complete his manoeuvre. And in a busy urban environment many would not do so.

It was the bus who either failed to observe or just thought that he'd force his way in since he felt that cyclists don't qualify for normal highway courtesies.

 

[renault12ts]

So what you're saying is that the bus undertook a vehicle on his offside and barged into his lane.

Who says that a car would have slowed down ?? Any vehicle in that lane is not obliged to slow down to allow an undertaker to complete his manoeuvre. And in a busy urban environment many would not do so.

It was the bus who either failed to observe or just thought that he'd force his way in since he felt that cyclists don't qualify for normal highway courtesies.

Undertook...are you sure you know how to tackle a one way system? In any case the bus was ahead as the manoeuvre started. If the bus had been behind the bike, and then pulled ahead, you might have a point, but clearly this did not happen, as the bike was faster than the bus.

 

[gtvlusso]

Maybe my eyesight is not what it was or I have the wrong link, as I see it on BBC.co.uk;

Bus stationary, cyclist undertakes, cyclist ahead primary in lane and moving to right of lane, bus indicates and overtakes; cyclist down.

I am afraid that I don't get this statement:

'The cyclist was stupid to assume the bus driver would not react. This does not mean I'm condoning the actions of the driver...but on the road I'd rather stay alive, than prove how right I am. '

So, as a cyclist, I should assume that any road action I take, perceived as incorrect by another road user, I should expect retribution by said road user?

Your statement, by definition, assumes reaction - how is that not condoning the actions of the bus driver?

 

[renault12ts]

Maybe my eyesight is not what it was or I have the wrong link, as I see it on BBC.co.uk;

Bus stationary, cyclist undertakes, cyclist ahead primary in lane and moving to right of lane, bus indicates and overtakes; cyclist down.

Yes, you have the wrong clip, there is another one showing the roundabout.

Here:

BBC News - Bus driver jailed after driving into cyclist

At 30 seconds in.

 

[gtvlusso]

Ah - Thanks - I know that junction well!!!

The bus used the wrong side of the filter for the lane he took! Comes from Cheltenham Road/Stokes Croft (A38) passed 'the moon' pub on the left. The 2 x left lanes are for the M32 and the 2 right lanes and cycle lane are for the innner ring road.

Bus takes the left filter and moves across lanes to inner ring lanes on RAB.

Looks like the cyclists used the cycle lane taking him to the inner ring lanes (seperated from the left lanes by an island).

So, cyclist had right of way and bus driver just pulled across road, cutting him off.

Loads of people get the lane division wrong, always a nighmare junction for it.

Check the map:

bs1 - Google Maps

 

[renault12ts]

On Google Earth, it shows as the part of the roundabout beside Debenhams, and the bus has come form Newfoundland Street, it doesn't appear he could have changed lane at any other point.

 

[Scott_F]

Undertook...are you sure you know how to tackle a one way system? In any case the bus was ahead as the manoeuvre started. If the bus had been behind the bike, and then pulled ahead, you might have a point, but clearly this did not happen, as the bike was faster than the bus.

Are you sure you know the highway code and how to drive in a safe manner ? The fact that it is a one-way system is irrelevant.

You don't change lanes if it forces another road user to brake, swerve or change their behaviour.

If you do, you are a danger to all those unfortunate enough to be anywhere near you.

 

[renault12ts]

Are you sure you know the highway code and how to drive in a safe manner ? The fact that it is a one-way system is irrelevant.

You don't change lanes if it forces another road user to brake, swerve or change their behaviour.

If you do, you are a danger to all those unfortunate enough to be anywhere near you.

And if that happened, I would agree with you, but, IMO, that did not happen. And having reviewed the location on Google Earth, I can't see how the bus did anything wrong, or could have done anything differently. He was indicating the whole time, the cyclist knew his intentions well in advance...case closed.

 

[Scott_F]

And if that happened, I would agree with you, but, IMO, that did not happen. And having reviewed the location on Google Earth, I can't see how the bus did anything wrong, or could have done anything differently. He was indicating the whole time, the cyclist knew his intentions well in advance...case closed.

Indicating your intention is also irrelevant. It doesn't give you the right to then perform a dangerous manoeuvre. If I pulled out from a side road right across the front of your car and narrowly missed you would it be OK as long as I was indicating my intentions ??

The bus driver could have done a lot differently - mainly maintaining his lane discipline until it was safe to move into another one.

We could argue about this clip forever but I think everyone agrees that it's all pretty insignificant compared to what happened next.

 

[renault12ts]

We agree to differ?

 

[Scott_F]

It would seem so.

 

[gtvlusso]

Apologies - laptop died!

Yes, you are correct - Newfoundland ST to inner ring.

The bus lane is on the left and uncontrolled. The bike is obviously using the dual carraigeway and the light controls.
It is always a melle just down there too, the buses try to keep rolling speed onto the RAB often with 'cut up' consequences into the flowing traffic.

In this instance, I would say 50/50 - cyclist should have pre empted bus taking the lane and bus driver was a bit aggressive in his manouvere. However, if the cyclist happened to be a car, there would probably have been a honking of horns and that would have been it.

The net result should not have been bus deliberately driven into cyclist. No matter what the perceived provocation.