Parking bufoonery.

[Bobby Dazzler]

I genuinely wonder if you bought two 'pay & display' tickets and popped them on your dash if they could possibly fine you for taking up two spaces as above?

Seems a sensible and cheap why to protect your car from dents & dings.

Ant.

I've wondered that too, but I suspect the fine would be for breaching the rule of being parked within a marked bay, rather than partially occupying one the two bays without a ticket.

The reason I say that is Mrs D once parked with two wheels just outside of the bay, ie partly on the white line, on a council car park. The other side of the white line was dead space as there wasn't enough space for another bay before the wall. It wasn't a footpath or road way.

She parked there because the bay's were tight and there were no child spaces at all (not just none available). She chose the space so she could park as far over as possible to maximise access to get Baby D's baby seat in and out. She was given a parking ticket for not being parked within the bay.

She took a photo of the car and surroundings, appealed and the council cancelled the ticket. What we never found out was whether it was cancelled from (a) goodwill, (b) common sense, or because (c) we shouldn't received the ticket in the first place. I suspect it was (a) and (b).

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

On the subject of tickets, we got a ticket for not displaying a ticket, when we parked in a huge almost empty car park in Hull on a Saturday evening. The wind and rain was so bad that after I'd parked I restarted the engine and drove to pay & display machine, and then drove to the end of the car park closest to the place we were going.

The parking warden watched us do that, struggle to get the kids out of the car, and scurry away to our destination. The parking ticket he issued was a few minutes after the time and date stamp on the pay & display ticket, and it was issued for not displaying a ticket. When we returned to the car it was in the footwell.

Sadly that warden didn't exercise any goodwill or common sense on that night. Nor did the appeal.

 

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I genuinely wonder if you bought two 'pay & display' tickets and popped them on your dash if they could possibly fine you for taking up two spaces as above?

Seems a sensible and cheap why to protect your car from dents & dings.

Ant.

I don't know , but I have read somewhere that it is unlawful to take up two on street bays , even if you pay for both , if your vehicle is longer than a single bay or if you are towing a caravan/trailer .

 

[GLK]

This particular multi-storey is a council car park, and is "pay on foot" (or an annual card, which is what I have), so the two tickets won't work even in theory there ...

As to the common sense - there's absolutely zero of that - I was given a ticket a couple of years ago, for pulling too far in inside a dead-end bay (a one adjacent to the next level ramp).

There were walls / metal barriers on three sides of the marked bay. Appeal didn't help.

I then informed them, that if I ever get another ticket for parking like that, I shall get the local paper involved to expose the idiocy of this "enforcement action", and to enquire who exactly authorised painting all four sides of dead-end bays, and were the company which painted these, paid on number of bays painted, or on how many metres of painted lines they did?

Guess what, no more tickets, and I often park like that, if a similar bay is free - there are a few like that there.

 

[brucemillar]

On the subject of tickets, we got a ticket for not displaying a ticket, when we parked in a huge almost empty car park in Hull on a Saturday evening. The wind and rain was so bad that after I'd parked I restarted the engine and drove to pay & display machine, and then drove to the end of the car park closest to the place we were going.

The parking warden watched us do that, struggle to get the kids out of the car, and scurry away to our destination. The parking ticket he issued was a few minutes after the time and date stamp on the pay & display ticket, and it was issued for not displaying a ticket. When we returned to the car it was in the footwell.

Sadly that warden didn't exercise any goodwill or common sense on that night. Nor did the appeal.

The rules governing this are usually rigorously enforced and very rarely (if ever) successfully challenged at appeal.

I believe it is "Failing to Display a valid ticket". All the warden has to do is take photo's of your car that clearly show that the ticket is not legible to the eye.

In some cars now the very act of closing the door is enough to dislodge the ticket from the dashboard. That is no right to appeal. Nor is proof of purchase of a valid parking ticket.

Sadly there is no flexibility shown. On the telly this week we saw a mother who appealed on exactly this basis. At appeal she stated that the warden had watched her by her ticket and put it in her car. Her argument being that the warden knew she had purchased a legal ticket. She produced the ticket at the appeal.

She left in tears after the adjudicator ruled that the ticket was "not on display".

It had dropped onto her seat after she had placed it on the windscreen. The lady in question stated (in my opinion correctly) she was being charged more than twice to park. Once for a ticket then twice + for the fine.

What possible satisfaction or "good job"feeling one gets from reducing people to tears when it is obvious that they are not evading payment or intentionally avoiding payment, is beyond me. This is a step too far and appeals like this should be allowed when it is obvious that ticket was purchased and displayed in good faith.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

On the subject of tickets, we got a ticket for not displaying a ticket, when we parked in a huge almost empty car park in Hull on a Saturday evening. The wind and rain was so bad that after I'd parked I restarted the engine and drove to pay & display machine, and then drove to the end of the car park closest to the place we were going.

The parking warden watched us do that, struggle to get the kids out of the car, and scurry away to our destination. The parking ticket he issued was a few minutes after the time and date stamp on the pay & display ticket, and it was issued for not displaying a ticket. When we returned to the car it was in the footwell.

Sadly that warden didn't exercise any goodwill or common sense on that night. Nor did the appeal.

I imagine that's why the old fashioned tickets were better because you could stick them to your screen. The modern ones just blow off the dash with even the slightest gust of wind.

In your case Rob the warden witnessed you buying the ticket and issued his/her fine out of shear spite.

The traffic wardens Christmas party must be a right old laugh eh?

 

[Deleted member 6183]

All this talk of tears over parking tickets is tugging my heartstrings this morning..

.. Oh, hang on a minute, no it's not because there are far worse things in life like war zones, people starving and I burnt my toast.

What kind of TV producer decides to make this crap?

 

[Deleted member 113659]

she was being charged more than twice to park. Once for a ticket then twice + for the fine.

Good point. In theory if you recieve a fine, surely you should be reimbursed for the ticket you've bought. Admittedly only pennies in comparison but a matter of principle.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

All this talk of tears over parking tickets is tugging my heartstrings this morning..

.. Oh, hang on a minute, no it's not because there are far worse things in life like war zones, people starving and I burnt my toast.

What kind of TV producer decides to make this crap?

Yep. Agreed Lew. I think tears for such things is a little OTT.

However, you just don't know what else is going on in people's life. For that particular women this may have been the final straw and tears were a culmination of a crisis in her life.

 

[Deleted member 6183]

Yep. Agreed Lew. I think tears for such things is a little OTT.

However, you just don't know what else is going on in people's life. For that particular women this may have been the final straw and tears were a culmination of a crisis in her life.

Like burnt toast you mean?

It was the last two slices of the sourdough from the village baker too.

 

[brucemillar]

I believe the lady in question had children and like most people objected to her £2 parking ticket costing her £52. Then the stress of the appeal (which is a legal process).

So I guess if you don't stress over losing the odd £50 hen is there is no drama for you.

That said, we have no idea what goes on in people's lives do we?

On being diagnosed with cancer and told it was terminal, I had to fill up with petrol on my way home. The lady in the garage joked that I "looked like I was having a bad day". I resisted the urge to tell her about my bad day.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

However, you just don't know what else is going on in people's life.

we have no idea what goes on in people's lives do we?

Hmmm

 

[brucemillar]

Hmmm

Great minds. I was typing when you were posting.

 

[Deleted member 6183]

I believe the lady in question had children and like most people objected to her £2 parking ticket costing her £52. Then the stress of the appeal (which is a legal process).

So I guess if you don't stress over losing the odd £50 hen is there is no drama for you.

That said, we have no idea what goes on in people's lives do we?

On being diagnosed with cancer and told it was terminal, I had to fill up with petrol on my way home. The lady in the garage joked that I "looked like I was having a bad day". I resisted the urge to tell her about my bad day.

To be fair though it's not about me though is it?

I detest these consumer TV programmes, there is one on our regional TV where a particularly objectionable presenter has a habit of chasing 'rogue traders' into their homes and then turns to camera looking absolutely astonished that she had a door slammed in her face!

TV editors need to show some consideration when picking their participants, there was a thread about animal cruelty on TV recently in my mind this type of broadcasting falls in the same category.

 

[Deleted member 6183]

Back on the subject of bad parking.

Over the last couple of years I have been a pedestrian much more than ever before, it's funny that stuff that you notice when walking about:

People who park right up on the pavement when there is no need because the road is wide enough and they have ample driveway parking.

People who barge through narrow roads forcing me to grab the dog and lean back against the wall.

People who can see I'm waiting to cross the road and stop right in front of me.

People who see me approaching their drive but pull out and wait to join the traffic while blocking the pavement.

The builder driving his Range Rover driving at me up the pavement.

I sometimes wonder if this is all stuff that I have done in the past without giving it any thought. I did park on the wrong side of the road once and opened my car door right into a kid on his bike riding up from behind me, he went over like a sack of stuff and I was mortified.

Thankfully my usual route only includes a half mile of road.

 

[Deleted member 65149]

Back on the subject of bad parking. Over the last couple of years I have been a pedestrian much more than ever before, it's funny that stuff that you notice when walking about: People who park right up on the pavement when there is no need because the road is wide enough and they have ample driveway parking. People who barge through narrow roads forcing me to grab the dog and lean back against the wall. People who can see I'm waiting to cross the road and stop right in front of me. People who see me approaching their drive but pull out and wait to join the traffic while blocking the pavement. The builder driving his Range Rover driving at me up the pavement. I sometimes wonder if this is all stuff that I have done in the past without giving it any thought. I did park on the wrong side of the road once and opened my car door right into a kid on his bike riding up from behind me, he went over like a sack of stuff and I was mortified. Thankfully my usual route only includes a half mile of road.

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Since becoming a born again dad 18 months ago the pavement parkers have become far more noticeable. I'm still considering fitting Boudica-style knives to my daughter's pushchair wheels!

 

[Deleted member 113659]

Yes, agree with the above. You get a totally different perspective as a pedestrian. Different things annoy you in different circumstances. Same goes if you spend time on a bike too.

Another scenario. I challenge any abled bodied person to spend a full day in a wheelchair/scooter around the streets & pavements. You'd be amazed at the amount of challenges and rude people you'd encounter.

Ant.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

At appeal she stated that the warden had watched her by her ticket and put it in her car. Her argument being that the warden knew she had purchased a legal ticket. She produced the ticket at the appeal.

In your case Rob the warden witnessed you buying the ticket and issued his/her fine out of shear spite. :devil

Spot on, he couldn't have missed me buying one. He had to stand in the wind and rain longer to check and then make out the ticket, knowing I had bought one!

Maybe his performance is measured on tickets issued, which might explain why it was worth the hassle. It's put me off ever going back to Hull though!

The modern printed-on-fax-like-paper-from-a-roll tickets curl up when placed on the dashboard, almost inviting the wind to get beneath them! :fail

Emoticontastic

 

[Deleted member 113659]

I've only recently used a pay & display car park. First time in many years. I wasn't aware you had to type in your reg number to stop you handing your used ticket (with X Hours remaining) to the next man in.

They're forever closing the loopholes.

 

[rf065]

I imagine that's why the old fashioned tickets were better because you could stick them to your screen. The modern ones just blow off the dash with even the slightest gust of wind.

I remember a story in the paper about someone being fined by the council for not displaying a ticket, they appealed and lost that too, despite pointing out it was impossible to stop the ticket blowing away on their m'cycle.

Russ