Pics of my new kit

[Iyse]

Got it today, went down to the locals to get a pipe to fit it and the guy did a fantastic job of using silicon based wrap and stainless steel. I've not removed the whole airbox cuz he said it'd be better for the cone to benefit from the direction of the forced induction rather than just point the cone towards what would be left of the pipe with the airbox removed.

Sounds loud.

 

[pluggers]

Looks nice,does it accelerate any better now?

 

[Spinal]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

How could you!? The LOVELY OEM forced induction kit from MB for a chrome one???

I bet it sounds louder.... but I also bet you've lost quite some performance from hot engine air enterring your air system now...

 

[Dieselman]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

How could you!? The LOVELY OEM forced induction kit from MB for a chrome one???

I bet it sounds louder.... but I also bet you've lost quite some performance from hot engine air enterring your air system now...

I agree here for two reasons.
1: the old system used the high pressure at the front of the car to create a ram effect and
2: the new system being metal will have greater heat soak so will make the air less dense.

If you "need" the sound of an induction kit then why not fit an electronic "induction noise" kit inside the car. Only you would then know you had got it all wrong.

 

[R2D2]

I think we are agreed that this mod will make the car slower and my experience of such experiments is that the fuel consumption will get worse. Other problems are, does the cone filter adequately or is grit entering the engine and I bet your insurance company will charge you more as well.

 

[Spinal]

2: the new system being metal will have greater heat soak so will make the air less dense.

If you "need" the sound of an induction kit then why not fit an electronic "induction noise" kit inside the car. Only you would then know you had got it all wrong.

Although I do agree with you, I don't think the induction kit is metal; is it? I thought it was cromed ABS plastic like the piping...

As for the sound, I didn't even know that electronic noise kits existed! Wow, now that is .... "voglio-ma-non-posso"; (its an Italian saying meaning something on the lines of "I want too; but I cant so I pretend I can"

Michele

 

[stwat]

I bought one of those cone filters of ebay and quickly realised what has already been said. It takes in air from the inside of the engine bay!! Not good!!!. The temp under my bonnet gets so hot that steam rises from it when it rains!!!!! The hotter the air, the less density. Why do you think turbos need intercoolers??!!?

These filters are for show only and actualy decrease performance and fuel economy

Surfice to say, my cone filter has sat in my garage ever since i foolishly bought it!!!!!!!

Stu

 

[glojo]

Brilliant thread.

My son was considering fitting a cone filter on his car. I could not offer any advice, but now...........

Thanks,
John

 

[grasmere]

he said it'd be better for the cone to benefit from the direction of the forced induction

Some harsh comments here guys

IYSE, whats the effect been like for you - in practise?

I'm not sure what this cone type gizmo is supposed to do that the original air filter cannot, so apart from 'loud' what benefits did you expect and what are you getting ?

(not that I'm thinking of fitting one )

 

[Spinal]

A little harsh; true.. but :
http://mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=15178
http://mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=12154
http://mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=11533
http://mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=10047
http://mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=9855

Now, not that I'm trying to be mean; quite the opposite. I just don't think that removing a forced induction kit and replacing it with a non-forced cone induction kit seems like a good idea. Its not like in NFS where the "upgrade" is always better than the stock.

That said, I did consider fitting a cone a while ago, then looked into the matter and remembering my weird physics teacher made me decide not too. I am looking into getting a K&N cotton filter though... "for the summer"

Michele

 

[Shude]

I am looking into getting a K&N cotton filter though... "for the summer"

If you're going to change the air filter element, please try another manufacturer.

My K&N was dry to touch but killed my MAS off within 25 miles!

Try searching the forum for air filter stories

 

[R2D2]

I think Iyse will fit what he wants regardless. His car His money...........

 

[glojo]

I think Iyse will fit what he wants regardless. His car His money...........

I totally agree, and I just hope he declares this modification. Luckily KLP declared all his modifications, I dread to think of the consequences had he failed to have done this?

Just remember as a result of any claim whether its your fault or not the assessor may come out and examine it.

Undeclared modifications may well drop you in deep 'do - doo'

John

 

[Dieselman]

Although I do agree with you, I don't think the induction kit is metal; is it? I thought it was cromed ABS plastic like the piping...

As for the sound, I didn't even know that electronic noise kits existed! Wow, now that is .... "voglio-ma-non-posso"; (its an Italian saying meaning something on the lines of "I want too; but I cant so I pretend I can"

Michele

The pipe is metal so WILL suffer from heat soak. The intake is now in the engine bay so will suffer even more. All this is bad news and if the car is given a really good hammering could cause the pistons to melt as underbonnet temp go up.

I was taking the P**S about the electronic induction noise units. Odly enough they would have less negative effects than the real thing??!!

 

[Spinal]

The pipe is metal so WILL suffer from heat soak. The intake is now in the engine bay so will suffer even more. All this is bad news and if the car is given a really good hammering could cause the pistons to melt as underbonnet temp go up.

I was taking the P**S about the electronic induction noise units. Odly enough they would have less negative effects than the real thing??!!

Ah, LOL. The reason I believed you was a while ago I saw an electronic "turbo-charger dump valve sound generator" on eBay ... (basically a speaker with a mini amp and a chip that generated a sound like a dump valve every time u pressed a button...

I did a quick search on the K&N filters, wow their rep has fallen since the last time I looked at them! I noticed the "green cotton" filters too; other than the frequent clean and lubrication (understandable from a cotton filter) no-ones had trouble with these, right?
Michele

 

[Shude]

Ah, LOL. The reason I believed you was a while ago I saw an electronic "turbo-charger dump valve sound generator" on eBay ... (basically a speaker with a mini amp and a chip that generated a sound like a dump valve every time u pressed a button...

I want one so I can pretend I have air brakes like a truck

I did a quick search on the K&N filters, wow their rep has fallen since the last time I looked at them! I noticed the "green cotton" filters too; other than the frequent clean and lubrication (understandable from a cotton filter) no-ones had trouble with these, right?

As far as I know. Mine needs cleaning at some point although might just throw it away and buy a new one...

 

[roj]

Are there differences between the w202 4cyl engines with regards to MAS/induction systems (apart from the obvious superchargers etc)? Maybe with regards to pre/post facelift?

I fitted a K&N element to my '95 C230K with no difference to noise, response fuel conumption etc. and no effect on the MAS. One of the Americans on club202 uses a foam filter( ITG I think!) with no probs although there are lots of other people who've had costly MAS troubles.

A custom-made carbon or stainless air box with a proper cone - not a cheap universal - and a cold air direct feed would be an effective method of increasing power/noise but would also be extemely costly.

 

[Iyse]

Some harsh comments here guys

IYSE, whats the effect been like for you - in practise?

OK, first off, thanks everyone else other than grasmere for assuming my performance has gone down. It's really nice to know that you guys are all such experts that you can guarantee my performance diminshed from a performance enhacing product.

My performance has increased by 5BHP, not a lot I know, but I wasn't expecting a lot. The forced induction is still integrated within this kit. If any of you bothered to look inside the airbox, you can place the cone exactly in the direction of the forced cold air feed.

I'm 20 years old and yeah, I'll do what I want with my car. People criticized me for my clear rear lights, people said my loud exhaust was stupid. Personally, I don't care. My car is damn sexy and I like it the way I like it. All this about increasing the bonnet temperature so my pistons melting... Are you serious?! You're actually confirming that my piston heads will suffer from MELTING because the temperature under the bonnet will reach temperatures of over 800 degrees?! Highly unlikely. So in short, chill out.

I'd also just like to add that Koolvin had an induction kit in his 180, and his cone was nowhere near his forced induction.

 

[Iyse]

Brilliant thread.

My son was considering fitting a cone filter on his car. I could not offer any advice, but now...........

Thanks,
John

You were going to take advice from everyone else except for myself? The person who's actually fitted it?

Look at my above thread.

 

[Spinal]

OK, first off, thanks everyone else other than grasmere for assuming my performance has gone down. It's really nice to know that you guys are all such experts that you can guarantee my performance diminshed from a performance enhacing product.

No offence meant, but a mod is not always performance enhancing... You can diminish your perf. too.

My performance has increased by 5BHP, not a lot I know, but I wasn't expecting a lot.

It has? Or is that what it says on the box of the kit? Have you actually bothered putting your car through a test?

The forced induction is still integrated within this kit. If any of you bothered to look inside the airbox, you can place the cone exactly in the direction of the forced cold air feed.

No it isn't. Forced means exactly that, the air is FORCED into your engine. At the moment, the air CAN go into your engine, at the rate the engine sucks it up, all the excess is dumped into your engine bay, hence NOT forced into the air feed.

All this about increasing the bonnet temperature so my pistons melting... Are you serious?! You're actually confirming that my piston heads will suffer from MELTING because the temperature under the bonnet will reach temperatures of over 800 degrees?! Highly unlikely.

I wont bother responding to the age thing, I'm 19 still; I mess around with my car too, but I don't do things blindly even if people with more experience tell me it isn't a good idea. As for the temp., although 800 degrees will do some SERIOUS damage to your engine, you need alot less than that in the wrong places to damage your engine... remember that 202's are prone to gasket failure at 100K....
Michele
P.s. Iyse, I don't mean to offend you nor flame you in any way. Im just giving my two pence worth of thoughts.