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Please educate me on W140's

Hi,

Nothing like a little advertising!

I have a 1994 S500 Coupe that I am in the process of selling - Mercedes S500 Coupe - 60,500 miles - PRIVATE SALE on eBay (end time 15-Apr-10 19:04:34 BST)

The W140 is an awesome car and I believe that the coupe is just that little more attractive than the four door.

Mine had the expected electrical issues and I have replaced the Engine Wiring Harness (£450) and Electronic Throttle Actuator (£600) with new original parts then fitted myself. Most other spares are readily available and if you are handy you will be amazed what you can do yourself.

If i were to buy another I would consider:
- Which engine (i would stick with the 500)
- Four door or coupe (my coupe is plenty big enough for 4 adults - much bigger than the CLK I had)
- Daily driver or 'collector'
- History
- Bodywork
- Distributor or full electronic ignition
- Pre or post facelift

Hope this helps.
Shane


Would have been down to look in a flash but SWMBO's car has to be 4 or 5 door :(

Thanks for the input and advice though Shane much appreciated
 
great cars, SEL isnt too difficult to park. I use mine everyday the 5.0 V8 really moves such a big car with ease ! MPG is poor but i dont care. Mines done 210 thou miles now still going strong, just service every 5 thousand miles. Changed the rear bearings too as they were very noisy....
 
W140s are brilliant, I've had 2 and I loved both of them, although the V12 really was very special.

I don't think you need to spend a fortune to buy a decent W140 you just need to wait for the right car.

My S600 was a 2 owner car original owned by a bank and then bought by one of it's employees when he retired. Full history albeit lost the original service book but a quick call to the MB garages confirmed the history and a replacement book was offered. I didn't pay a massive amount for it, but in fairness it did have the BAS light on which was a control module oddly the ESP and BAS still worked just the light would often stay on.
 
Thanks, spoke to them yesterday and hoping to get accross to look later this week it certainly looks the business doen't it?

Thanks for the heads up

Don't mean to sound like a grinch but....

Series 1 car
Older aircon system
4 speed gearbox
Manual seats
Poverty spec

Yes, the miles are low but on an S-Class, I would not even worry about it. The ones I have owned (all 5 litre V8's) had 70,000 miles, 180,000 miles, 62,000 miles and 141,000 miles.

Mileage makes no difference at all once they have been maintained.
 
My Dad has an S280 (1998) that he has owned for over 8 years and it has been a joy to own and drive and has pretty much just needed regular servicing nothing major.
It does not get a lot of use these days, except if we are going on a long run, the car just eats up miles.
I sat it in it the other day and it still smells and feels like new, the interior is so solid and is a much nicer place to be than my E500. The spec of ours is good, but not outrageous, so no soft close doors etc, but I guess that may explain why we have not had many problems with it. The only option that I really wish that it had is Parktronic as they are big cars.
Would I recommend one...yes, every time!
 
I've had 3, a 320, a minter 500, and a hack 300se that ive got right now. The only word of caution is to expect if anything does go wrong it will be expensive therefore buy carefully, they do hide neglect quite well as they are so well made.
Having literally just done 300 miles in our 60k mile s430, I still think a w140 is better put together. I just wish you could get a really late-model w140 with the trappings of a w220. It would be a forever-keeper, especially in a nice colour combo like azurite and mushroom, or ruby red perhaps.
320 upwards a good car although the 280 very capable and sounds nice, just a touch lightweight for two tonnes. I think 3 grand would get a very reasonable one, 4 grand would get a very decent one indeed, especially for one with contacts in the trade! Surely someone you know has one on his "lot" thats sat for a while?
Finally, I too will sing the praises of Carl at w140, a top bloke, very reasonably priced and good, fast service.

I'll ask around for you if there is one about. I know where theres a lovely sub 100k mile azurite 500 swb on a prvate reg (94 model) but I dont know if he'll part with it, he bought it off me!
 
I would AVOID! Worst MB I ever owned (sorry, but my experience). Electrical, running and ongoing rust issues, saw me sell my 95 S500 Coupe, 73000 miles, FSH, 3-owner car for £2350! No one wanted it at the time so took the only offer on the table. Although, When it wasn’t in the workshop or bodyshop, it was a nice drive.
 
Just to echo Johns post..

I also have done a lot of miles in a W220 now and I do miss the feel of the W140. As everyone else has said the whole car is so well built.

All my friends prefered the W140 600L to the W220 500L they say the older one was more of an occasion and much more opulent. I really want an old 280 SE now I don't know what W number it is, it might be W114 or something circa 1974....

But that's another thread.
 
W116 is the original S Class that was Car of the Year in 1973 , as per Koolvin's avatar .

Or perhaps you mean the earlier W108 , UK versions tended to come with 'stacked' headlamps although some have the standard 'tombstone' ones .

W114 is the six cylinder range of compact saloons known as the 'New Generation' , 'Stroke Eight' or 'Strich Acht' due to their release date of 1968 and ran up to 1975 when they were replaced by the W123 . Four cylinder versions were the W115 .
 
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On the subject of the engine size, the 280 is no rocket but I have always found it ok unless the car is fully laden, then it can be a bit sluggish. Either way, it can still handle motorway speeds comfortably.
 
Thanks Derek.
It was an earlier one than Koolvin used to have that I was after.

I think it was a W114 3.5 V8 I'm hankering after.
Mercedes-w114.jpg
 
Thanks Derek.
It was an earlier one than Koolvin used to have that I was after.

I think it was a W114 3.5 V8 I'm hankering after.
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James , that picture does indeed show an early pre-facelift 'New Generation' model which might be a six cylinder W114 , but in the pictured car is a four cylinder W115 ( the main give away being the short back bumper - on the six cylinder models it wraps further round , on the 280 going all the way to the rear wheelarches , see my 280E below ; the 250 had a bumper which wrapped round but only halfway along the rear wing )

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Unfortunately , there was no V8 factory offering in that bodyshell : the twin cam 2746cc M110 either with fuel injection in the 280E or without in the plain 280 was the top of the range ( besides the 280C/CE coupes ) .

If you wanted a V8 , you had to look to the older and larger W108/W109 range . Sadly , I am no expert on these models , having only owned one in my life and then for less than a year . I've never had a definitive answer as to what the difference was between the two ranges , which both look very similar and ran over much the same time frame ; there were various models available in different markets . Both series were developed from the Fintail models but with the fins removed so as to look less dated , the chassis and floorpans are very similar with many parts interchangeable and many dimensions retained . The main difference seemed to be that the W109 range was based around the older 2996 cc engine carried forward from the 300SL Gullwing and normally fitted with air suspension ; the basis for the W108 range seemed to be the 280SE .

The 280SE , with its 2778 cc single cam six cylinder was a W108 and offered both in Europe and the USA ; there was a LWB SEL model but that was only in the USA , never officially imported into the UK . The UK got the 280SE 3.5 with the 3.5 litre V8 , later used in the W116 . The same car was offered in the USA , but after being fitted with emissions control equipment was down on power , so the 4.5L version was developed to compensate , then offered unrestricted in Europe ( God bless America !! ) ; much the same story spawned the 560 models some years later after the American versions of the 500 were found wanting :D

Before the W108 280SE , there was also the W109 300SE with a 3 litre six cylinder and air suspension , this one WAS offered here in LWB form as the 300SEL and , for America , as the 300SEL 3.5 and 4.5 . Then , of course , there was the famous 300SEL 6.3 which was the result of a bit of back-room tinkering by engineer Erich Waxenberger .

Hope this is of some help .
 
Well I have spent days, neh weeks looking at W140 & W210 and what piles of scrap I have been looking at are ther no good examples of these left? I even upped my budget to take in the W220 and still heaps of junk. At this rate I'm going to have to go over to the dark side and look at BMW & Lexus. I can't believe the build quality on MB from 1998 - 2004 is so carp, Where do I go next? all opinions welcome

Cheers
 
Well I have spent days, neh weeks looking at W140 & W210 and what piles of scrap I have been looking at are ther no good examples of these left? I even upped my budget to take in the W220 and still heaps of junk. At this rate I'm going to have to go over to the dark side and look at BMW & Lexus. I can't believe the build quality on MB from 1998 - 2004 is so carp, Where do I go next? all opinions welcome

Cheers

TBH probably a late E39....
 
The late 90s/early 00s 7-series is quite a nice alternative to an S-class or Lexus IMHO, and very good value too. A friend has a V-plate one with about 100k on the clock, bodywork is like near new, far better paintwork than any recent MB :o Nice inside as well and he's had no mechanical/electrical nightmares in the time he's had it (couple of years IIRC)

I assume with W140/220 MBs you'd be looking at LS400/430 - nice cars and reliable but a bit dull IMHO.

There are some nice 140 and 220 S-class out there, but I guess it's a waiting game for the good ones to surface.

Will
 

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