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pocketgpsworld to start charging for speed camera database

Thats a shame, but I guess it's a lot cheaper than the alternatives...
 
It will improve the quality of the data though, if what they state is true. To keep my licence blemish free, £2 per month is awesome.

Don't forget that someone will just release it on a file sharing network anyway.
 
I tend to agree with PJH. Over the past couple of years, since I acquired Co-Pilot 5 Live, I have sent over 50 new (or redundant) camera positions to pocketgpsworld. I'd personally not go so far as to say charge them, however at the end of the day, they are totally reliant on feedback from joemotorist to supply them with this information. It's not as if they actually employ someone to constantly skate around the UK at phenomemal cost in order to obtain this information! They make their money - quite a bit I suspect - at selling SatNav systems, and I'm sure that the well-known availability of their database more than pays for the cost of publishing monthly updates in 'indirect' sales of new hardware and revised software.
Don't get me wrong. PocketGPSWorld have done an excellent job of administering this data. However, someone else will soon come along offering what they DID, at a much less reliable level, and that would be a shame for us all. With that in mind, I'm prepared (but clearly not happy) to pay for what is no more than about 15 miles extra in fuel each month.
At the end of the day, the speed cam database has probably saved me 100x that amount in fines, despite giving the guy behind me a few skid marks in his underwear as well as on the road!! :)
 
I am a bit surprised at the people carping on about it costing them some money. What was probably started as a labour of love has come to occupy much of their time. Margins on Satnav systems are not that great and lets be honest is £24 a year that much to pay? Esp for those of you who can't use common sense and stay within the speed limits?
 
It appears to be an emotive subject, and as with most issues there's more than one side to it, each being valid in their own right.

Yes, it costs money to provide this free service, and it is very possible that it cannot be provided FOC any longer. But equally, there have been many announcements and a fair amount of noise from the management that it is a "free database, and always will be". Is this only the case until such as time as there was the opportunity to make large sums of money from it? Are there no alternatives to finance the required outlay to keep it running?

Equally, in regard to "free" services, it is reasonable to assume that members are willing to put their time and effort into improving the accuracy and quality of a free service for nothing because all would benefit from it. If this is no longer to be the case, are such members as likely to be as "charitable" with their support for it? For a service that appears to rely heavily upon the support of its member group, this is potentially crippling.

Ultimately, I'm not trying to argue for or against the charges; whilst I would like it to remain free, it is not my decision. My point is this:

What seems to be the most damaging is that the announcement to begin charging appears to be distinctly half-baked.
By all means, make an announcement that you intend to charge, and give an idea of the costs you are to expect, but also provide information regarding the likely questions of consumer support, concessions for contributions etc etc. Provide your future customers with as much information as you can, as not knowing breeds rumours, speculation and ill-feeling.

And if you can't work out what information you're likely to be asked for, then maybe you shouldn't bother with it at all. Even as a rookie uni student, I'd have been strung up for presenting a business plan like that!
 
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DolphiN Tech said:
Even as a rookie uni student, I'd have been strung up for presenting a business plan like that!

I think you've got fair points there, but aren't these guys just GPS enthusiasts? I don't remember it saying anywhere on the website that they were all talented businessmen. They're entitled to their mistakes just like the rest of us.

Time will tell how they go with this new idea. I'll be paying.

Can't shoot them down for floating the idea before mandating it.
 
scotth_uk said:
I think you've got fair points there, but aren't these guys just GPS enthusiasts? I don't remember it saying anywhere on the website that they were all talented businessmen. They're entitled to their mistakes just like the rest of us.

Time will tell how they go with this new idea. I'll be paying.

Can't shoot them down for floating the idea before mandating it.

Agreed, but the impression that was given (even if it is not the case) is that there is a firm intention to start charging, rather than floating around an idea. If they're just floating the idea, then the lack of supporting information is perfectly understandable, but this seems to be very much along the lines of "We are charging" rather than "What if..."

I have no issues with raising funding to keep an enthusiasts project alive, but the wording of it seemed to be going further than than, into the realms of profit making, which is where my earlier points were aimed.

Time will tell...
 
Just been over and read the 40+ page thread. Got to be said that the average IQ of a PocketGPSWorld forum user is rather low.

;-)
 
Mmm...I'd noticed that too, hence I'm trying to stay objective about it all! :D
 

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