Proposed changes to the MOT Test.

[andy clark]

faulty in the eyes of the law which all know can be an ****.. even the Govenment admits that a rolling road test is the right way, but because of the Mot sations saying we don't want to pay for the kit, they came up with this silly test.. take the test away from these guy's and it will be better, more jobs at Vosa for people who work in these Mot places and maybe they will learn how to test cars, without the incentive to get work out of a fail.. just a thought

what a load of rubbish lol the car failed for reason! how many times has that car and others passed that test? giveing mots on cars to vosa would be a major headache as thier would 0% room for leniency! then you will see cars failing mots! this is how trucks are tested by vosa at vosa test sights and its very stricked not to mention you have to book about 5 months before as its so busy and theres far more cars than lorrys! also who would tell all the garages up and down the uk the 40 odd grand they have spent becomeing test stations was a waste as now you can not do mots!

 

[voy2age]

what a load of rubbish lol the car failed for reason! how many times has that car and others passed that test? giveing mots on cars to vosa would be a major headache as thier would 0% room for leniency! then you will see cars failing mots! this is how trucks are tested by vosa at vosa test sights and its very stricked not to mention you have to book about 5 months before as its so busy and theres far more cars than lorrys! also who would tell all the garages up and down the uk the 40 odd grand they have spent becomeing test stations was a waste as now you can not do mots!

what a load of rubbish?? for wanting the MOT to be done right.... yes the mistake was done letting these guys do the MOT, but there are many counties in Europe who would not let independent's do the test. why Vosa can not make these guys only do MOT's is easy, that would be a cheap way to make it Govenment run..and you comment "then you would see cars failing mot's".. then why are they on the road.. matbe you are talking a load of rubbish.. just a thought

 

[andy clark]

what a load of rubbish?? for wanting the MOT to be done right.... yes the mistake was done letting these guys do the MOT, but there are many counties in Europe who would not let independent's do the test. why Vosa can not make these guys only do MOT's is easy, that would be a cheap way to make it Govenment run..and you comment "then you would see cars failing mot's".. then why are they on the road.. matbe you are talking a load of rubbish.. just a thought

how many cars pass the diesel smoke test that there is now every week? 5 thousand 10 thousand lol but as your car failed it , its not the right test and its not being done right ok then mate and vosa tests are stupid we do 20 to 30 a month! and they have to fail a set amount each month so every so often they come up with a new rule or an up date to an old rule the last big stupid one was head light aim lol that sore a massive amount of fails in the hgv world as there was 0% room for error so if your head light tester wasent the same as the one in the vosa station its a fail! at newbury test station you could pass in one lane and then fail in the one next to it but as both testers had a small sticker on the side saying they were calibrated there wasent a thing you could do about it thats how dumb vosa test stations are lol

 

[voy2age]

how many cars pass the diesel smoke test that there is now every week? 5 thousand 10 thousand lol but as your car failed it , its not the right test and its not being done right ok then mate and vosa tests are stupid we do 20 to 30 a month! and they have to fail a set amount each month so every so often they come up with a new rule or an up date to an old rule the last big stupid one was head light aim lol that sore a massive amount of fails in the hgv world as there was 0% room for error so if your head light tester wasent the same as the one in the vosa station its a fail! at newbury test station you could pass in one lane and then fail in the one next to it but as both testers had a small sticker on the side saying they were calibrated there wasent a thing you could do about it thats how dumb vosa test stations are lol

ok i get it.. it doesnt matter where you go, its a bit of a lottery.. cars could be better tested in the south than the north, better in scotland than in wales.. so its a bit of a joke then??.. which is my point at the start.. thanks for that...

 

[andy clark]

ok i get it.. it doesnt matter where you go, its a bit of a lottery.. cars could be better tested in the south than the north, better in scotland than in wales.. so its a bit of a joke then??.. which is my point at the start.. thanks for that...

Thanks for what lol the vosa ones im talking about are proper vosa hgv test stations they all work to the same rules and are run by vosa like in europe (with cars) thats how hgvs are tested! (which makes it very stringent i.e no room for commen sence its what the book says and nothing else!) as for the your car that failed the smoke test but thousands dident i bet there was 80 or more cars that passed that same test in the garage were yours failed that month!

 

[voy2age]

Thanks for what lol the vosa ones im talking about are proper vosa hgv test stations they all work to the same rules and are run by vosa like in europe (with cars) thats how hgvs are tested! (which makes it very stringent i.e no room for commen sence its what the book says and nothing else!) as for the your car that failed the smoke test but thousands dident i bet there was 80 or more cars that passed that same test in the garage were yours failed that month!

my old car (which i don't have now) passed the test (the second time with no work) if you read what i said, all i was saying is that the smoke test is an **** (which any mechanic would agree with) only an Mot tester (who just looks at things and does nothing but what he is told) would not see the sence and admit it is wrong. so if you are an Mot tester then i can understand why you are taking to heart .. read a few things on the internet about the smoke test or speak to a machanic.. there must be a better way, than revving the balls off diesel cars and thinking it's ok. because i have worked in the industry for 26 years and it goes against everything i was told...

 

[andy clark]

my old car (which i don't have now) passed the test (the second time with no work) if you read what i said, all i was saying is that the smoke test is an **** (which any mechanic would agree with) only an Mot tester (who just looks at things and does nothing but what he is told) would not see the sence and admit it is wrong. so if you are an Mot tester then i can understand why you are taking to heart .. read a few things on the internet about the smoke test or speak to a machanic.. there must be a better way, than revving the balls off diesel cars and thinking it's ok. because i have worked in the industry for 26 years and it goes against everything i was told...

im a diesel fitter / hgv tech who has been around diesel smoke tests for a long time lol it may not been as good a way of doing it as in gear on a rolling road but that is not very practical are basic rolling road at work cost 30 grand! plus you are only testing for smoke so holding it at an rpm is fine for testing smoke and has been for a very long time! the only reason its not good with modern cars is because under load modern diesel cars make other gases like nox that cannot be tested for on the spot reving the engine!

 

[skyclad]

In Belguim when you sell a car it has to have a "Car Pass" which is valid for 2 months and is like an MOT and contains a full history of previous tests.

 

[Dieselman]

there must be a better way, than revving the balls off diesel cars and thinking it's ok.

Nope. The rev from idle to the governor generates the maximum and repeatable smoke emission, so is a good test.

because i have worked in the industry for 26 years

You're joking, aren't you.

You have a smoky car and quote petrol emission test procedures instead of diesel ones.

 

[SilverSaloon]

yearly testing IMO and i also agree tests should be 1 year even when new. i often see lots of 2 year old cars with smooth tyres, bulbs gone etc. owner probably doesnt even think about it as its "a new car".

 

[franey]

The best way forward would be a Self Certifying MOT.
That would get rid of most of the Unroadworthy Pikey Vehicles as they cannot sign their name.

 

[voy2age]

Nope. The rev from idle to the governor generates the maximum and repeatable smoke emission, so is a good test.

You're joking, aren't you.

You have a smoky car and quote petrol emission test procedures instead of diesel ones.

did have a smoky car..... and i never thought i would see the day some guy would say it is ok to rev the ball's off a car, any good machanic would'nt have to do that, but we live in an age when all they do is change parts not fix them, so would'nt know any better.. thanks for the comments.. i'll be restricting the max on my car, because anyone who rev's my car to the max is a prat.. even if they follow orders

 

[voy2age]

The best way forward would be a Self Certifying MOT.
That would get rid of most of the Unroadworthy Pikey Vehicles as they cannot sign their name.

At last someone who talks common sense......

 

[Tiff]

did have a smoky car..... and i never thought i would see the day some guy would say it is ok to rev the ball's off a car, any good machanic would'nt have to do that, but we live in an age when all they do is change parts not fix them, so would'nt know any better.. thanks for the comments.. i'll be restricting the max on my car, because anyone who rev's my car to the max is a prat.. even if they follow orders

Er,
You have to be a mechanic to move on to be an MOT tester, and there is no reason not to use all the rev range on an engine, as long as its in good condition and up to operating temperature. You cannot damage an engine by taking it up through its range, because after all this is what a guvernor is for... to prevent over revving...which you have fiddled with...

If you came into my MOT station with that attitude, I'd certainly fail you for the magic tree on the mirror, or the misaligned tyre valve, jut to be a c**k. If you came in, had a chat and it was clear that you were a car enthusiast, you'd be quite welcome to come under the ramp and I'd talk you through the entire test, warts and all.

What do you think of traffic wardens?

 

[voy2age]

Er,
You have to be a mechanic to move on to be an MOT tester, and there is no reason not to use all the rev range on an engine, as long as its in good condition and up to operating temperature. You cannot damage an engine by taking it up through its range, because after all this is what a guvernor is for... to prevent over revving...which you have fiddled with...

If you came into my MOT station with that attitude, I'd certainly fail you for the magic tree on the mirror, or the misaligned tyre valve, jut to be a c**k. If you came in, had a chat and it was clear that you were a car enthusiast, you'd be quite welcome to come under the ramp and I'd talk you through the entire test, warts and all.

What do you think of traffic wardens?

traffic wardens?..i could'nt eat a full one...
they are not as easy to wind up as MOT tester's...
i'll keep going to the tester i have for years, he is a real MOT tester, who thinks the smoke test is a joke, so just uses his judgement and does not rev the car to the limit, but he is old school, lets say he is a character, which is rare these days..
thanks for the threat about coming to your place for an MOT, just proves that you can fail a car if you feel like it.. which was my point in the first place, it down to who is testing it.

 

[Dieselman]

i'll keep going to the tester i have for years, he is a real MOT tester, who thinks the smoke test is a joke, so just uses his judgement and does not rev the car to the limit, but he is old school, lets say he is a character,

Who needs reporting to VOSA for failure to comply.

I'd be interested to know what part of the motor trade you work in as I'm confident it's nothing to do with the technical side.

 

[voy2age]

Engines should never be revved off load due to the danger of torsional oscillation in the crankshaft and timing drive. The load on an engine acts as a damper to these oscillations, which explains why an engine can be taken to its rated speed when loaded with relative safety.

The free end of the crankshaft (usually the pulley end) always carries a torsional vibration damper on a decent engine - usually the pulley is made in two parts, separated by a rubber section. Larger engines have a significant decoupled mass at this point, usually fluid filled.

 

[voy2age]

Who needs reporting to VOSA for failure to comply.

I'd be interested to know what part of the motor trade you work in as I'm confident it's nothing to do with the technical side.

i wounder how many engines you have knacked over the years, they may have passed and left your Mot station, but have had engine failer later on. (maybe months later). not a bad record to have.. fixed 100 cars... knacked 1000's...

 

[finisterre]

a warm engine is not worn by revs.

 

[andy clark]

i wounder how many engines you have knacked over the years, they may have passed and left your Mot station, but have had engine failer later on. (maybe months later). not a bad record to have.. fixed 100 cars... knacked 1000's...

you really do sound like a tool