mbenz1977
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hope it comes into action soon, I'M ALL FOR IT !
traffic wardens?..i could'nt eat a full one...
they are not as easy to wind up as MOT tester's...
i'll keep going to the tester i have for years, he is a real MOT tester, who thinks the smoke test is a joke, so just uses his judgement and does not rev the car to the limit, but he is old school, lets say he is a character, which is rare these days..
Well, if VOSA come in and do an undercover test, he won't be a tester much longer....
You do not seem to understand that we are doing our jobs as laid down by VOSA, who are government appointed. There are many things in the MOT test I disagree with, and have said this to VOSA in the past, but I am paid to do my job. I certainly wouldn't put my employment on the line just because someone thinks they know better.
next time you are pulled over on the motorway for speeding, explain to the copper why his rules are stupid... as we all know there are different coppers, including "old school" ones.... Is the law the law?
I wonder if your faulty or badly maintained car passed the smoke test would this discussion even exsist?
it was an old merc, from years ago, and i understand your position, "its more than my jobs worth" come to mind
all i'm saying is you admit the test is wrong and stupid, rather than trying to defend a foolish practice, by not saying it is wrong and foolish you just make yourself look wrong and foolish. and yes the law is the law and any policeman can and does fine you for speeding, but if the law said do 10mph on the motorway, i don't expect guys to defend it.. where are the people who think for themselfs these days, are we so controlled that we believe everything we are told. i don't
so yes i keep to the speed, yes i tax and insure my car, yes i MOT it, but do i think the smoke test is right...NO... simples
you really sound like the governments and Vosa's Boy..you really do sound like a tool
interesting link for anyone who has an open mind on the smoke test for diesels...just a thought
MOT Diesel Smoke Test.... | Technical matters | Back Room Forum | Honest John
MOT Diesel Smoke Test.... | Technical matters | Back Room Forum | Honest John
I've mentioned a few times that I don't agree entirely with many things in the MOT test. Smoke testing is way down the list... Postcodes on numberplates? What the **** has that got to do with roadworthiness... The MOT test book needs to be ripped up and rewritten from scratch- you would not believe the amount of add ons, addendums, reprints of sections that come through regularly. I just started when emissions tests for petrols came into the test, and we were struggling along trying to get carburettored Lada's and Metros through a cat test- it was crazy, and was put on hold for a bit a short time after...
I could give you hundreds of examples where the MOT is crazy- and there is no common sense involved at all, but if every MOT tester would do the test the way he believed it should be done, there would be no testers left. Take it up with VOSA.
I could give you hundreds of examples where the MOT is crazy- and there is no common sense involved at all, but if every MOT tester would do the test the way he believed it should be done, there would be no testers left. Take it up with VOSA.
andy clark
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not really vosa do my head in with there silly rules lol i have them in work every 8 months as i do tachographs so they pop in to keep an eye on thingsyou really sound like the governments and Vosa's Boy..
i just dont see where your coming from the test is checking for smoke holding the engine at an rpm is a good way of checking for smoke if the tester has to rev the death out of your car to get it to pass maybe you should look into why its smokeing lol and not blame the test! 
Dieselman
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Not worth wasting time commenting on, it's just rubbish.
How many sound engines have been destroyed as a result of a smoke test rev, or indeed how many engines, full stop?
If your engine and injection system is in good order it will easily pass a Fastpass.
guess you know best eh??.. why listen to anyone else when you know all there is to know..
but we both know they don't just hold it at a normal rpm...i think 3000rpm. would be the best thing to do, any real diesel engineer would have to agree with that, just because you can rev it to 4500 to 5000 rpm, does mean you should, maybe i repect a good engine and find it hard to treat engine's like that, the point i raised was in respect to an old car i had, not the one i have now (which i keep serviced and passes first time), thank you for your comments, i don't blame the mot testers, just find it some what sad they follow the party line (dieselman comes to mine..not really vosa do my head in with there silly rules lol i have them in work every 8 months as i do tachographs so they pop in to keep an eye on things
).. i wouldnt let people like that near my car, sorry maybe he could change the wiper blades.......maybe
just done some reading on this subject, in regards to revving an Engine while in neutral,to the limiter (which happens on the MOT)). it seems BMW in the past put some warnings about this, saying it could (long term) affect the bearings on the crank, there is also some points that say the rev limiter takes a second or so to shut the engine down and revving while in neutral will mean the RPM go past the limit (because it happens so Quick), so into the red
now i agree that some people would like to see it the other way, but it does make you wounder when you see so many cars these days on sale on Ebay or Auto trader saying "the crank or fuel pump" are making a funny noice's.
i was looking at a few yesterday and found lots of cars saying that, and you would think with oil been so good these days.. Why?
some reason we seem to need more shocks, because of the speed bumps and poor roads..
yes i know people are going to blame the guy who owns it.."he is not servicing it etc".. but what if the Govenment and Vosa have got it wrong?.. do you think they would admit it??.. NO.. and anyway more broken cars means more money on parts and more cars go to the scrap yard.. just a thought
now i agree that some people would like to see it the other way, but it does make you wounder when you see so many cars these days on sale on Ebay or Auto trader saying "the crank or fuel pump" are making a funny noice's.
i was looking at a few yesterday and found lots of cars saying that, and you would think with oil been so good these days.. Why?
some reason we seem to need more shocks, because of the speed bumps and poor roads..
yes i know people are going to blame the guy who owns it.."he is not servicing it etc".. but what if the Govenment and Vosa have got it wrong?.. do you think they would admit it??.. NO.. and anyway more broken cars means more money on parts and more cars go to the scrap yard.. just a thought
andy clark
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Clutching at straws comes to mind lol you are on a one man vendetta against the mot smoke test so i bid you good luck with it as nothing anyone says will ever matter to you
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Are you talking about engines with electronic control or mechanical governors. It doesn't matter as neither type will allow rev creep due to restricting fuelling prior to the final governing.
Please show us some of these many adverts.
dieselman you do surprise me. most people know there is a place called Ebay and Auto trader.. have a look, they are sometimes in the spares or repair section., i was looking at the Mazda 2 litre diesel and found a number of cars with these problems, maybe this model can not do what you are saying and rev's past the limiter??.. not every model of car is the same... even if there is one car model out there that this sort of treatment causes problems, then that is wrong!!!... i just can not beleave that i am arguing with guys on a car forum, who love thier cars, that revving the balls off a car to the limiter while in neutral is ok, i feel as if i'm arguing with a load of Vosa employee's... LOL
They don't make changes to the MOT very often and when they do the changes have been announced to the trade years in advance. Most civilised countries have something similar to the MOT, test for the same things and have similar limits and tolerances.
Are you saying that an MOT inspector checking the output of a Mazda (Ford?) diesel by pushing the engine up to the red line for a couple of seconds, once per year is enough to break the engine? Sounds like a major design flaw of the Ford diesel engine. In fact you are probably on to something as nearly every Ford diesel I've ever followed has restricted my vision with a large cloud of smoke every time the driver has even thought about pressing the gas pedal, and this includes Jags too.
Doodle
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If you are trying to propose a point as fact, it is YOU who needs to back it up with evidence, not our job to find the evidence for you.
Seems to be a recurring theme at the moment
andy clark
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i think the rest of us think we are arguing with a **** lol
DITTRICH
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An annual MOT is fine as it is.
It is entirely right that as cars change, new items are added or dropped from the test.
The fee is low and a proper test would cost much more and take longer.
Any mileage or event based (eg on sale) system is bound not to work.
Mileage can be altered and events happen at varying intervals.
I would prefer to combine the RFL and MOT into one payment / one inspection system with an insurance check against the MID database at the same time.
It is entirely right that as cars change, new items are added or dropped from the test.
The fee is low and a proper test would cost much more and take longer.
Any mileage or event based (eg on sale) system is bound not to work.
Mileage can be altered and events happen at varying intervals.
I would prefer to combine the RFL and MOT into one payment / one inspection system with an insurance check against the MID database at the same time.
