Pupsi's E500

[Mudster]

The OZ's came in various ET's I've had a few with et's as high as +44....however, the offsett of the dish is required to clear the brake calipers you have (which being Porsche specced are quite large) that means in reality you have to drop the rears to 8.5" to make it look right and more importantly..legal....

The easy way to see if this will look right is try the front wheel on the rear...see what it looks like on one side of the car.

Also, reducing the lip of the rear 10" rim changes the ET....I'd have to do some head sctraching to actually work out what is would reduce it too but reduce it it would.

 

[pupsi]

Cheers mate. I thought they only came in one offset as they are the only offsets i have ever seen.

i think clearing the rear calipers would be fine as they are small, its the fronts that are a problem but these are cleared fine.

Have got a price of 300Euros for two outer dishes which are an inch smaller than the current ones.
Still not 100% sure on what im going to do though!

 

[whitenemesis]

Mudster, will the next post have ET's as high as +45??

 

[aka$h]

Ive only seen these in this offset, I know AMG might have produced 1 off's but Ive never seen them listed anywhere.
The 2 piece AMG wheels are 10x18 et 25,
If you use this:
http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp
it shows only 8mm of more outer clearence.

I personally love those wheels, yes the rear stick out, but a 1" smaller lip should resolve this, its a Euro look.

 

[Mudster]

Sorry, I'll expand....the 8.5j and 10J sets for the R129 only appeared in ET17 and ET18 front and rears respectively. However, they made the same design wheel to fit W124's and W126's as well...so there were ET30's and ET43 or 44's - I couldn't decide as you can see form my double post earlier

All these other offsets were only ever produced as 17" x 8.5"......the 10" rears were only ever designed to be fitted to R129's and Widebody SEC's.

 

[talbir]

The rear calipers are not large on the 500E, it's only the fronts...If Pupsi uses a 3 inch dish rather than the 4 inch dish on there now, it'll solve the issue. There is no issue of caliper clearance at the rear. Using 8.5Js with 30mm offset at the front is out of the question due to both caliper clearance AND the wheels sit too far in with the high offset.

Note also, that the car is not sitting as low as it can at the rear, Pupsi said he needs to adjust the SLS...note the pics of his car when he just fitted the H&R's, it was nice and low. Now once the car drops from the rear, due to the camber, the wheels will sit further in anyway.

These 3 piece AMGs CAN work in 10J on the rear, many people have made them work, check out 500ecstasy.com galleries.

Pupsi, have a look on ebay.de, type in 'OZ 17 Ausenbett' and you will have the dishes of your choice to select !

10J's and indeed 11Js can work on the 500E, the car can take a huge variety of wheel widths and offset. Absolutely agree that the 10J e17s don't look right and work right as they are and said as much to Pupsi when he came round to pick up the H&Rs and told me about the proposed wheels. But they can defo work and it's not too much hassle, given he wants them on his car !

I have the AMG 2-piece by BBS on my car, the widths are identical to the 3-piece wheels, but offsets are 25mm all round, works perfectly on the E....note also on the pics below, my car is also on H&Rs and sitting very low, which helps bring the wheels inwards at the rear.

cheers
talbir

 

[Mudster]

So based on that, a pair of ET30's for the rear with a change to 100mm dishes.

Or dismantle the rears and get the rear of the wheel face milled by as much as the material will safely allow and this will move the wheel inboard. (this is safe is done professionally).

 

[talbir]

So based on that, a pair of ET30's for the rear with a change to 100mm dishes.

Or dismantle the rears and get the rear of the wheel face milled by as much as the material will safely allow and this will move the wheel inboard. (this is safe is done professionally).

Agree with the milling approach, there is plenty of material on that rear hub mating section to shave of 10mm...that's all that's needed...given that my 10J with et25 works perfectly on H&R setup, then shaving 10mm of the 10J e17s giving net offset of e27, the fitment will be spot on.

If you replace the rear centre pieces with et30 ones, net offset will become too low...the calculation is not simple when changing the centre piece, as offset is distance from centre of wheel to hub mating face and offset is also a function of width. When making the 8.5J wheel a 10J one, only the outer dish is changed..so the centre face stays in a fixed position. This means that the centre of wheel now moves 29mm outwards, leaving a net offset of (30mm-29) = 1mm.

One needs to stick with the original centre face and work aroung that...the offset of 30mm on the 8.5K wheel is calculated based on the width of that wheel, once the widht of the wheel is changed, the offset of 30mm is no longer relevant.


talbir

 

[pupsi]

I personally love those wheels, yes the rear stick out, but a 1" smaller lip should resolve this, its a Euro look.

Euro look it is!

Said as much to Pupsi when he came round to pick up the H&Rs and told me about the proposed wheels. But they can defo work and it's not too much hassle, given he wants them on his car !

I have the AMG 2-piece by BBS on my car, the widths are identical to the 3-piece wheels, but offsets are 25mm all round, works perfectly on the E....note also on the pics below, my car is also on H&Rs and sitting very low, which helps bring the wheels inwards at the rear.

cheers
talbir

Yep, he told me it wouldnt fit lol
So if i changed the offsets of my wheels to 25, these wheels would fit?
Also, what tyres are you running on your 10s Talbir?
I would of got the 2-piece AMG's you have on your 500E but you already have them and that wouldnt be fun lol

So based on that, a pair of ET30's for the rear with a change to 100mm dishes.

Or dismantle the rears and get the rear of the wheel face milled by as much as the material will safely allow and this will move the wheel inboard. (this is safe is done professionally).

I would love the ET30 ones, but that would mean buying another set of wheels or waiting a long time to find the single ones.

Ive heard about that process, but ive heard it isnt safe for the wheels?
Do you know any companies which undertake this kind of work?

Cheers

 

[talbir]

I'm running 265s, you can easily run 275s though as well. 255s is a bit skinny, the wheel at 10J is 254mm alone + some, tyre needs to be wider. AMG reccomendation was 265 and 275/40, both work.

Milling is fine, but see my post above referenec the calculations, 8.5 et 30s won't work if you change the dish. You are better off sourcing another pair of 8.5 et 18s for the right look on the rear, also you'll have a matching set all round. 8.5 e30s will sit too far in on the E.


talbir

 

[pupsi]

Looks like ill most likely get the 3" dishes as you suggested then Talbir.
255 tyres will be fine on that then!

 

[Mudster]

The milling is safe if undertaken by a professional engineering firm. You're removing 10mm of a casting and it's quite safe as long as the casting isn't stressed during the process.

it's only unsafe if too much material is removed and it compromises the structure of the hub.

The 10J rears you have have quite a substantial amount of material in the centre hub, 10mm wouldn't be an issue, just check how much clearance you have to the struts/springs, and if you can, check the caliper clearance to the inside of the wheel face.

 

[Shude]

Just think...

Also popped some centrecaps on them to finish.

 

[pupsi]

Lol cheers for that! Looks great.
You are pretty handy with the photoshop i see.
Would you be able to do paint the door mirrors black and also put black bolts on the front wheel? Would just like to see what it would look like.
Also, one with the same as above but with a black roof would be nice too!

 

[Shude]

Lol cheers for that! Looks great.
You are pretty handy with the photoshop i see.
Would you be able to do paint the door mirrors black and also put black bolts on the front wheel? Would just like to see what it would look like.
Also, one with the same as above but with a black roof would be nice too!

Making something look black is pretty tricky so I photoshopped the roof and mirror off another 124, a 500E in fact!

As for the wheel bolts, too much like hard work I'm afraid! A better pic would make it easier.

 

[pupsi]

Thanks alot Shude. I would do it myself if i had the know how!
I think i quite like it actually!

With the black wheel bolts and those blue wreath centre caps, but not the blue ones, the ones in black.

I think i would look pretty good.

 

[stevesey]

Wheel bolts?

 

[pupsi]

Not the ones that hold the wheel onto the hub, but the smaller ones which hold the 3-piece wheel together!

 

[stevesey]

Not the ones that hold the wheel onto the hub, but the smaller ones which hold the 3-piece wheel together!

I thought you might have meant that - as Shude says.

Well I had a quick go - gives you an idea now.

 

[pupsi]

Yup, thanks for that mate!