Really Really Stupid People

[Deleted member 126251]

................ For those that say they are not bothered by the glare, then be thankful your eyesight is better than others, it might not last.

Would that not lead one to think that if the "glare" bothers a driver that much, they should perhaps not be driving at night?

Which is less considerate, not indicating & not letting other motorists know your intentions, or indicating and bothering the few (who possibly should not be on the roads) affected by the "glare".

 

[219]

That's a bit like saying if you can't go out during the day without sunglasses , perhaps you shouldn't drive in bright conditions

I would say bothering the many who find the glare of extra bright lights uncomfortable ; there are lots of people , of all ages who find this uncomfortable ; it is not necessarily an eyesight defect , rather a characteristic that some tolerate it less than others . There is no reason why such people should be curfewed after dark because others are inconsiderate .

Signalling , as appropriate , is essential to let other road users know what you wish to do , not just motorists , but they can safely be cancelled when at a standstill , and re engaged in a timely manner BEFORE moving off . A pedestrian crossing a road does not need to worry about a car stopped at red traffic lights , and in most cases they will have a separate crossing phase before the lights go green for the car . Same with oncoming drivers , if you are stopped at a red light they have nothing to worry about and as long as you start signalling BEFORE you move off , you are giving them all the information they need .

It's tried and tested ; it works !

 

[zipdip]

Well driving is all about looking and understanding whats happening all around you,this idication thing is a small thing but to me it is important,it costs nothing to do,all our cars well recent cars have the three flash and they auto go off,indicate at roundabouts,and the like,the problem with the mantra of teaching learner drivers that they do not have to indicate everytime,is flawed,because human beings will extend that to the point where they just do not indicate,not bothered what the IAM says,not sure what they will do when these electric we do everything cars also take over indication, it leads my thoughts to how long after the electric cars do everything will a person actually need a driving test,but again it is small beer,because I will not be around to see it happening,and if I am I will not be driving.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

That's a bit like saying if you can't go out during the day without sunglasses , perhaps you shouldn't drive in bright conditions

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Nothing like it actually - the poster implied that people bothered by glare (as discussed all along, caused by indicators and brake lights) have eyesight issues.......I quote: "For those that say they are not bothered by the glare, then be thankful your eyesight is better than others, it might not last."

 

[artyman]

Also those idiots who rive with rear fog lights on permanently!

 

[Trickythemerc]

Don't get me going on this one I cannot understand them, if it rains you turn the wipers on and off when it stops. OK it gets a bit misty so turn them on if you really must, but why leave them on when it clears. Big orange light on dash ignored, would they ignore the oil warning light if that was on............

 

[Bellow]

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[190]

Would that not lead one to think that if the "glare" bothers a driver that much, they should perhaps not be driving at night?

The ability to recover from glare generally diminishes with age, it's not a specific eye defect. We will all suffer from it eventually to a greater or lessor degree.

The point is that the glare we are taking about is unnecessary because there is no reason to keep brake lights on when a vehicle is stationary and to do so is being inconsiderate to the driver behind, whatever their age.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

The ability to recover from glare generally diminishes with age, it's not a specific eye defect. We will all suffer from it eventually to a greater or lessor degree.

The point is that the glare we are taking about is unnecessary because there is no reason to keep brake lights on when a vehicle is stationary and to do so is being inconsiderate to the driver behind, whatever their age.

I would argue that the majority of people are not going to take their foot off the brake or stop their indicators at intersections ("be considerate") ergo if the glare bothers you and your eyes cannot recover sufficiently, you should perhaps not drive at night.

Other than the "emergency services" (where many of their vehicles have oversized lights and extra bright flashing lights) driver training that Ponteneer refers to, where does it say we should follow your "preferred / considerate " procedures? If there is a rule to say this should happen I will do it. If not I'll continue to indicate until I have complete the manoeuver so that everybody knows excatly what my intention is.

I've yet to see documentary evidence that this "considerate" driving is more than wishful thinking.

 

[Deleted member 149005]

Waiting at junction in an auto usually requires the foot brake to applied

I guess the "nuisance" to other drivers behind of the brake lights and / or indicators is down the interepreation of

Rule 114
You MUST NOT

• use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders
• use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).

In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.

The Highway Code - General rules, techniques and advice for all drivers and riders (103 to 158) - Guidance - GOV.UK

Signals, stopping procedures, lighting, control of the vehicle, speed limits, stopping distances, lines and lane markings and multi-lane carriageways, smoking, mobile phones and sat nav.

www.gov.uk

If i am waiting at a junction, i will typcially leave my indicator on until the vehicle behind has stopped, switch off the indicator until i can proceed (eg lights change) then remind the vehicle behind by signalling again.

 

[Deleted member 6183]

A pal of mine has a little trick that he gets some weird kick out of.

The road from town to our village is usually pretty busy, there are 2 lanes in each direction. The university is to the right of the road into the village and there is no separate lane to turn right, it's a pain in the @rse if someone is turning right as you will have to wait behind them as the left laners are very defensive of their position.

His game is to indicate right on approach in the outside lane, laugh at all the drivers behind fighting their way into the inside lane and, then, sail through the lights full steam ahead.

Not funny if you are behind in either lane.

Anyway, @Pontoneer stance on this would be hugely annoying if he was at the lights with no indicators so you pull up behind expecting to go straight on to find that he pops his indicators on when the lights turn leaving you stranded. In fact, he says that he only indicates when moving off so you could be stranded behind the numpty not moving off or indicating.

 

[Gollom]

A pal of mine has a little trick that he gets some weird kick out of.

The road from town to our village is usually pretty busy, there are 2 lanes in each direction. The university is to the right of the road into the village and there is no separate lane to turn right, it's a pain in the @rse if someone is turning right as you will have to wait behind them as the left laners are very defensive of their position.

His game is to indicate right on approach in the outside lane, laugh at all the drivers behind fighting their way into the inside lane and, then, sail through the lights full steam ahead.

Not funny if you are behind in either lane.

Anyway, @Pontoneer stance on this would be hugely annoying if he was at the lights with no indicators so you pull up behind expecting to go straight on to find that he pops his indicators on when the lights turn leaving you stranded. In fact, he says that he only indicates when moving off so you could be stranded behind the numpty not moving off or indicating.

Not sure he would have remained a pal of mine.......

 

[E55BOF]

A pal of mine has a little trick that he gets some weird kick out of.
Not funny unless you're a bit of a pita...

Fixed that for you...

 

[Deleted member 6183]

Fixed that for you...

Not sure he would have remained a pal of mine.......

I know.

Then there was the time that we stopped in his pick up to give some girls a lift, I hopped in to the open back and the nobber pulled over by some roadworkers, called them ****ers and drove off while they pelted us with stones.

Happy days.

 

[ToeKnee]

So which is more important, taking your foot off the brake so you don't dazzle but the stop start fires up your engine and you put out particulates, or you dazzle people but the engine stays off and there's slightly cleaner air?

 

[Bellow]

His game is to indicate right on approach in the outside lane, laugh at all the drivers behind fighting their way into the inside lane and, then, sail through the lights full steam ahead.

Soon enough, he will collect someone who briefly went left then right again. Hopefully, when it happens, the police will be involved.

 

[Bellow]

So which is more important, taking your foot off the brake so you don't dazzle but the stop start fires up your engine and you put out particulates, or you dazzle people but the engine stays off and there's slightly cleaner air?

Wouldn't applying the parking brake prevent the engine immediately firing up again? (Never had stop start so asking).

 

[renault12ts]

It's an internet thing.

 

[219]

So which is more important, taking your foot off the brake so you don't dazzle but the stop start fires up your engine and you put out particulates, or you dazzle people but the engine stays off and there's slightly cleaner air?

You could always just stop your engine with the key if that concerned

 

[Deleted member 126251]

Waiting at junction in an auto usually requires the foot brake to applied

I guess the "nuisance" to other drivers behind of the brake lights and / or indicators is down the interepreation of

Rule 114
You MUST NOT

• use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders
• use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).

In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.

The Highway Code - General rules, techniques and advice for all drivers and riders (103 to 158) - Guidance - GOV.UK

Signals, stopping procedures, lighting, control of the vehicle, speed limits, stopping distances, lines and lane markings and multi-lane carriageways, smoking, mobile phones and sat nav.

www.gov.uk

If i am waiting at a junction, i will typcially leave my indicator on until the vehicle behind has stopped, switch off the indicator until i can proceed (eg lights change) then remind the vehicle behind by signalling again.

1st dot point -......nothing to do with indicators or brake lights.
2nd dot point - absolutely - In the Netherlands they dish out fines for that.
3rd Item, "In stationary traffic queues....................until the traffic moves again" means traffic jams etc or else they would have specified that it included waiting at traffic lights etc....& "should" not MUST.

Bottom line is that manufacturers would not be permitted to fit brake lights and indicators that were too bright for other road users to drive comfortably or safely.