[Resolved] 124 Works - Kirkham Dispute

[recycled]

Contrary to what Mr Walker states, the car was with him for nearly two weeks, and within days of getting it back it was obvious that things weren’t right as the engine was losing oil (all over the drive) and was noisy.
From then on in, the vehicle was returned on numerous occasions with engine noise and oil loss. It was suggested on an early return that possibly the exhaust needed to be replaced of which Mr Walker agreed to undertake. The cost of this was paid separately from the main bill. However, within two days of its return the engine noise and oil loss were still apparent, and the exhaust was hanging off. The vehicle was taken to a local garage for them to refit the exhaust to enable us to return it once again.On the last occasion in March, I was again without the vehicle for a week and on its return it had to make a 500 mile round trip, which resulted in the vehicle standing on the hard shoulder with smoke coming from the rear. On the outward journey there was an obvious slipping of the gearbox, not noticeable before he did the oil check.
Yet again the vehicle was returned under warranty to 124 Works for inspection. Mr Walker admitted there was a problem and offered to replace the bottom end.

there it is not too sure what this means

I don't see new faults listed, am I missing something.
I read oil leaks, an episode of as yet unexplained oil smoke (can happen with new/rebuilt engines, but worth checking the breather system out) and possibly noisy cams, with the old ones showing signs of wear. Were new cams and followers budgeted for as part of the job.?

From that there it started as noise from the engine, probably cams, But then there now seems to be a major oil leak, exhaust problems, gearbox as well.

As i am not ready to take sides here i am hoping they can resolve it amicably

 

[st4]

there it is not too sure what this means



From that there it started as noise from the engine, probably cams, But then there now seems to be a major oil leak, exhaust problems, gearbox as well.

As i am not ready to take sides here i am hoping they can resolve it amicably

The oil all over the drive could be any amount - A major leak in my books is one that renders the car pretty much undrivable. IBW mentions something of the car being driven in excess of 70mph so oil loss (and the resultant fall in pressure) couldn't have been that significant

Is it a major leak, or more along the lines of what DM suggested could be wrong with the car.

 

[alfie07]

this post was placed in the forum members intrest i see that you can put neg comments about other garages but not mr walker as previous neg comments 3 to be exact were archived .on mr walkers advice we got an independent inspection which reveals as said in orginal post as in my words unusable this vehicle stands me a total of 4000 pounds approx since sept 08. and cannot be driven i have since had to spend another 4500 pounds to relace it bringing a total of 8500 approx would you be happy with that outcome?

 

[BlackC55]

How do you know it has an oval bore?

 

[nick mercedes]

How do you know it has an oval bore?

Didn't Ian replace the piston because the machine shop said one was suspect?

 

[stevesey]

Didn't Ian replace the piston because the machine shop said one was suspect?

To quote the OP.

"The said piston came from no1 cyl the alleged oval bores were numbers 2 and 3 and had a small nick out the top nothing to do with oval bores."

How do you know it has an oval bore?

Ian reported it as that on the original thread

"Cylinders 2 and 3 have oval bores and the piston rings of all pistons are gummed up. The waterways to the head are full of gunge (limited water passage) and the big ends are a little scored."

 

[alfie07]

its just a shame he alleged the oval bores on the forum but forgot to mention it to the customer

 

[Dieselman]

I have read some of the posts with interest, and would be grateful if such as Dieselman or Paris could explain something that I am not grasping.
If an engine is suffering from oval bore, what is the procedure to correct it,
and am I right in thinking from what I have read, that if your replace a piston, does that cylinder require a rebore.

Replacing a piston doesn't necessarily mean the cylinder requires a rebore, but if the cylinder is oval then the only remedy is to rebore or reline it.
I thought that was part of the works carried out at the engine machine shop. If it hasn't had machining work, why did it go to a machine shop at all.?
It was the machine shop reported the damaged piston, so we know they performed some work.

Can the actual works both requested and performed be clarified.?

replacement car grav the 220 sitting on sorn as independant eng states to continue to use catastrophic failure will occur

Can you expand on that statement. I'm not saying you are either right or wrong, but that is an all encompasing rather vague statement.

 

[Dieselman]

there it is not too sure what this means



From that there it started as noise from the engine, probably cams, But then there now seems to be a major oil leak, exhaust problems, gearbox as well.

As i am not ready to take sides here i am hoping they can resolve it amicably

I saw the post saying there had been oil leaks, but was under the impression they were resolved by changing the breather pipes, cam box gasket and re-torquing the cylinder head. See below.

I received another phone call to tell me that the car engine was leaking oil. Once again we took the car back and changed the rocker cover gasket, engine oil breather pipes and nipped the head down. A while later Mr Todd phoned to say that there was blue smoke behind his car. I asked him to pull over and check the oil level. This he did and stated that there was no oil loss.

I think it would be good to have a definitive list of current problems and then for both parties to agree to have the engine looked at by an independent workshop with both parties present.
Before arranging such an inspection both parties should review what works were asked for/promised and eventually charged for. There may be some disparity between expectation and reality if there wasn't a proper scope of works.

 

[Dieselman]

its just a shame he alleged the oval bores on the forum but forgot to mention it to the customer

Is that important.? The engine block went for machining, does it matter what machining took place as long as it was deemed correct to provide ongoing serviceability.?

Presumably the machine shop can verify the works they performed.

My opinion, as a lay reader of this thread, is that the engine may or may not have some issues that haven't as yet been made clear.

I think you should make a clear list of the issues, then discuss those with Ian Walker and arrange to take the car to him or allow him to see it in operation.

At that point I'm fairly sure you will be able to agree whether they are as a result of the work carried out by W124 works or not and if so a way towards a resolution.

Can you tell us what the current issues are.?

 

[219]

But will you be happy to have a £250 unknown engine fitted into your car after paying £2000 on having one rebuilt?

As I said , that is the least costly way out of the situation .

I wouldn't have blown two grand on an engine rebuild for a car worth only half that amount , at best .

 

[Sp!ke]

I wouldn't have blown two grand on an engine rebuild for a car worth only half that amount , at best .

What was the OP advised to do?

 

[219]

IIRC a used engine was suggested , and rejected , because the OP INSISTED on a warranty .

It would have been cheaper just to have bought another £250 used engine if the first had failed .

'Bangeromics'

 

[Sp!ke]

but that is £250 just for the engine... then shipping and labour costs and it becomes a big gamble.

Dont Crewe warranty their remanufactured engines?

 

[219]

I did say 'plus fitting' .

Don't know any scrappies who would ship an engine - I'd expect to remove and collect it myself .

A small engine like a 220 will fit in the boot of most cars , or hire a van if you're worried .

 

[Dieselman]

But the thread is about an existing rebuilt engine, not another from a scrapper.

 

[alfie07]

car had done 158000 miles on diagnostics comp test showed cyl 1 12psi 2 and 3 10psi 4 12 psi it was mr walker who sold me a full rebuild if the rebuild had been a success i would have a very nice motor at the door it doesnot matter to me that the rebuild cost more than i paid for the car

 

[wemorgan]

car had done 158000 miles on diagnostics comp test showed cyl 1 12psi 2 and 3 10psi 4 12 psi it was mr walker who sold me a full rebuild if the rebuild had been a success i would have a very nice motor at the door it doesnot matter to me that the rebuild cost more than i paid for the car

I feel for you in this difficult situation. But if you clearly read through all the previous posts, especially the ones by Diesleman, there are many unanswered questions. If you're looking for advice from the forum then they need to be answered. Otherwise your wasting your own time perpetuating a thread going nowhere. In which case, hold fire with the accusations, wait for the legal action to be resolved, then post back with all the facts, should you wish to do so.
Best wishes.

 

[nick mercedes]

I feel for you in this difficult situation. But if you clearly read through all the previous posts, especially the ones by Diesleman, there are many unanswered questions. If you're looking for advice from the forum then they need to be answered. Otherwise your wasting your own time perpetuating a thread going nowhere. In which case, hold fire with the accusations, wait for the legal action to be resolved, then post back with all the facts, should you wish to do so.
Best wishes.

Is not the jist of it that OP paid a garage (on the forum's recommendation)a total of £2500 to mend their car, and their car is not longer usable, OP would appear to me to be down £2500 and the use of their car.

Would anyone be happy to be in this position?

 

[wemorgan]

Is not the jist of it that OP paid a garage (on the forum's recommendation)a total of £2500 to mend their car, and their car is not longer usable, OP would appear to me to be down £2500 and the use of their car.

Would anyone be happy to be in this position?

No, certainly not me either. But currently as it stands, the OP has thrown an accusation into the forum then failed to back it up with all the facts. So I'm unclear what we are to make of all of it.