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Self driving lorries now

And wait for the first terrorist to hack them and be used in an evil way.

IMHO, this feels like a poorly conceived idea. Invest in the railway system instead.
 
frigging daft and stupid why

absolutly stupid , watched on the box , what they want to do ,we dont have the roads for it , we dont have the driver mentality from others for it , we dont need it , crazy crazy crazy, you,ve all been on the roads ie motorways and see what happens when the lorries hit a hill , and a head wind , besides the lorrie drivers are generaly curtious to others ,they sit high up and see the pinch points coming up and can respond to ****holes in there cars , what about when theres the **** thats driving to slow and thease monsters are tanking along then have to slow up and concertina everyone , personaly i dont no why we are getting cahjolled into driverless transport, its just not needed , maybe if your living on a planet with with super human beings and inteligent then fine but basicle we are all dummies down here on planet earth, oh and before you get on at me yes i cant spell and grammas crap blah blah .and besides its doing away with a job for someone .they tried a while ago to get all heavy lorries of the road by saying they will put containers on train trasport but that didnt realy happen , the goverment thats in allways comes up with stupid crap like this and think its the way ahead , feckin idiots the lot of them .
 
absolutly stupid , watched on the box , what they want to do ,we dont have the roads for it , we dont have the driver mentality from others for it , we dont need it , crazy crazy crazy, you,ve all been on the roads ie motorways and see what happens when the lorries hit a hill , and a head wind , besides the lorrie drivers are generaly curtious to others ,they sit high up and see the pinch points coming up and can respond to ****holes in there cars , what about when theres the **** thats driving to slow and thease monsters are tanking along then have to slow up and concertina everyone , personaly i dont no why we are getting cahjolled into driverless transport, its just not needed , maybe if your living on a planet with with super human beings and inteligent then fine but basicle we are all dummies down here on planet earth, oh and before you get on at me yes i cant spell and grammas crap blah blah .and besides its doing away with a job for someone .they tried a while ago to get all heavy lorries of the road by saying they will put containers on train trasport but that didnt realy happen , the goverment thats in allways comes up with stupid crap like this and think its the way ahead , feckin idiots the lot of them .

Are you OK man? ;)
 
Instead of doing this trial on the M6 and A74M around Carlisle and Gretna why don't they do it on roads where these things will operate basically the M1 and the M25 and then they'll get real results .
I'd give it a week and there would be a massive accident..
How can you expect one man driving the front truck to judge what's happening two trucks behind ?
 
Are you OK man? ;)

He's OK
He is voicing his opinion which we should respect.

In fact we should all go and pull a book out of the library called:- Everyone a Witness.
Then maybe rummage around & find some newspapers called the London Illustrated News of the early to mid 19th century. When Britain was at the height point of its industrial power with Germany hot on it heels. The America's were lagging in the rankings in them days lads.

These are vivid accounts of letters to newspaper editors etc etc , of people of bygone tymes in the UK and the USA.
Letters of concern and protestation of progress.
To inventions like a Brit (well a Scot really) who first came up with a metalled roads and boosted the mail coach travel times from London to Gloucester from weeks to 5 days! The Americans copied that technique like crazy men all down the east coast.

Take the railway and construction of the line from Rainhill to Manchester.
That was furiously debated in parliament with a lot of naysayers. Stevinson and his backers saw otherwise!
It was built and Britain with Brunel set the world on fire with railways & communication. The Americans copied that too but with such furious expansion that would have spun Brit heads at the time.

Its called efficiency in transportation and an early insight into logistics which of course the USA really invented by their own visions of progress. I am thinking of the Berlin airlift as an example and the American method of landing & laking off of planes at Tempelhof.
Most said it couldn't be done but it was achieved with utmost efficiency.

I will close with a question posed to me by a Brit banker working for an American bank. I was on the earol for $2,000, 000 with $650,000 deposit from reserves
Mr Williams, What is the first and most important mantra in running a business?
I answered it immediately without question and it was the loan cincher!
I remembered it from a Harvard business major in college (in Cheltenham)
Its valid today as it was in the early 1970's

Can any of you answer that simple and logical answer because it the driver of this next level of progress?

Think about it!
All the best
Tuercas Viejas

PS
Something American, but it applies to Brits too!
You owe the bank half a million quid for the mortgage on your house.
Its your responsibility to pay it back.

You owe the bank 2,000,000 quid for a business venture!
Its THEIR responsibility to make sure YOU pay it back.

This is very American--Use someone else's money to fund a business, now that's American in the widest sense of the word including tax breaks and explains in large parts why they are good business people.
T/V

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Anyone would think this is new. There have been trials going on in the US, Australia and mainland Europe for a number of years now and the UK is in catch up mode.

The "its going to take jobs" argument is futile. Of course it is, but will also create other jobs and efficiencies elsewhere.

Automated vehicles of all sorts from cars, taxis through trucks and into airplanes will become the norm and you can either embrace it or stick you head in the sand and be run over by it. Businesses can't afford to be Ostrich's.

AI as a wider topic is something that needs to be considered and managed carefully. This is where the governments are way behind the curve, how does this revolution impact the rules, regulations, tax models etc etc. Today the tax regime is moving from taxing corporations higher amounts, to taxing individuals, this won't work in the future when AI and robotics is doing more of the work.
 
Surely we should have driverless trains long before driverless trucks. Railways operate in a much more controlled environment so achieving autonomous transport should be an order of magnitude easier.

Why isn't it happening. They could start with the London underground and save a 50-60K drivers salary.

Unions won't easily let it happen. After all they are the only reason why the drivers earn 50- 60k in the first place. Remember the print workers though, grossly inflated salaries were a motivation to introduce new technology that did away with them.
 
^^^ Haven't you seen the absolute ballache the rail unions are causing over the driver pressing the 'close doors' button, and that's with still keeping the guard?
 
Having work in industry for a long time I'm a strong believer in worker representation as far as it promotes a reasonable balance of power.

When they grossly abuse that power they are setting themselves up for a fall in the long term.
 
Unions protectionism is going to be a major obstacle in many industries when it comes to the use of AI. This is why policies need to be thought out at a government legislation level early on and consistently applied. It needs control and management, saying no isn't an answer, neither is do what you like.

If we get the balance and controls right then in the long term the population benefits, unfortunately some will be disadvantaged in the short term whilst the social model catches up.
 
What is about to be trialled here is only a step towards that ; but the potential and the technology exists to move towards that goal .
This a big assumption. The gap between supervised technology that maintains close distance to car in front to reduce drag and technology that can drive lorry unsupervised along country lanes is huge.

Let's not forget that this country is already building HS2 and everybody seems to oppose that as well.

Adaptive cruise control has already made it to passenger cars with low collateral damage. What's so different about it's commercial application?


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Well I do not think these AI trucks will happen,ok course they will may their debut and then find that no sane transport company will use them,about the only company I can think of that might try them is the Post Office,only because they carry their own goods for the most part and so can ignore the costs ,of course some will doubt this ,but margins are very tight in transport not made easier by the vast number of regulations surrounding the industry,this whole idea that three trucks will drive up the motorway at the same time and be viable is nonsense,when companies need to keep their trucks running for as many hours in the day they can,no transport company is getting contracts for more than they agreed last time it came up for renewal,just look at Stobarts not the biggest company but doing the job as well as they can,their brand is worth more than the haulage company,it says it all,also they are diversifying as quickly as they can because trucks are not where the money is,so I cannot see these trucks being able to survive in the competitive haulage industry.
 
3 pages long now. Its quite a convoy. Sorry didn't real it all. Put freight back on the railways where it belongs.
 
Put freight back on the railways where it belongs.

I think if freight was already on the railways then we would be discussing this a threat to rail.

But even without self-driving trucks the railway doesn't attract much freight. So we're discussing tech that will move more freight off the railway.
 
Now this is a "proper " road train. ;) Australian Northern Territory 2AB-quad tanker road train. Trailer arrangement is B-double towing two tri-axle trailers.
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Has anyone discussed the increased fuel cost to the driver at the front of the convoy ?

If the first truck punches a hole in the air for the following trucks for the whole journey his cost will be significantly more than the others. The drag pulling him back from the truck one foot from his tail will also put more strain on his engine/drive train.

Or (like geese in flight) will they change places in the lead ? er..meaning every now and then one will have to move into lane 2, the others must slow in lane 1 to allow him to pass and thke his place at the front. Thereby making the whole thing pointless.

Or am I overthinking this ?
 
You do know that the news is that these systems are just to be tested at this stage right?

The clue is in the title of the link in the very first post.

You do know that 'testing' preceeds 'implementing', don't you?

The clue is in the word 'testing', in that someone wishes to implement something so is doing a dry run before committing themselves.

My points are quite valid, and that there are many real world issues that need to be considered during this 'testing' phase before 'implementation' comes into effect, otherwise we'll see another 'Thalidomide' effect, where something isn't tested properly before implementation, only for the general public to suffer due to an impulse to implement something too quickly.

I'm not arguing that the technology isn't there, but I am arguing that technology isn't a suitable replacement for a well trained human interpreter of data.

Remember that while machines have algorithms, people have gifts. After all, Pelé is considered one of the greatest footballers in the history of the game. If all men were created equal, we'd all be Pelés.
 

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