Stop expanding the ULEZ to all the London boroughs in 2023

[ChrisHGTV]

Yep exactly that. I posted a map picture previously showing this ... there are some odd bits of the zone, including one north of the Dartford Crossing that's actually outside the M25:

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I was chatting to someone at the weekend and apparently Chessington World of Adventures have moved their car park so that its now outside the zone. Quite clever if that's true.

 

[BTB 500]

I was chatting to someone at the weekend and apparently Chessington World of Adventures have moved their car park so that its now outside the zone. Quite clever if that's true.

Would be nice but Chessington's website still says all entrances and parking are within the expanded ULEZ.

 

[markjay]

Anyone noticed this?:

Now it's ULEP! Councils quietly introduce ultra low emission PARKING

Thousands of motorists face paying new environmental taxes despite upgrading their cars to the latest, most environmentally friendly models as councils penalise drivers further.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

 

[Darrell]

Electrician at work has put his plate on the dash and has a bike rack on the back with a strap dangling over a couple of digits on the rear plate.
So far so good.

 

[ALFAitalia]

So which is bigger....the ULEZ fine....or the police fine for missing/obscured number plates??

 

[clk320x]

Anyone noticed this?:

Now it's ULEP! Councils quietly introduce ultra low emission PARKING

Thousands of motorists face paying new environmental taxes despite upgrading their cars to the latest, most environmentally friendly models as councils penalise drivers further.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

Lambeth are doing this, works out well for me but yep some oil-burners will be stung.

 

[clk320x]

Electrician at work has put his plate on the dash and has a bike rack on the back with a strap dangling over a couple of digits on the rear plate.
So far so good.

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Always some who think they are above the law. He’ll get a nice fine eventually and he’ll wish he wasn’t so silly.

 

[fabes]

Opposite to the parking uplift, which is wrong imho, I have been told some deliveries will now cost more in ULEZ or clean air postcodes - may already be happening....?

The jobbing delivery / deliveroo / takeaway / Amazon / eBay driver will either have to charge more ( customer will be levied that) or they will stop it if they cannot find an equivalent compliant van, and competition will drop pushing up prices ( customer will be levied that again)

Can anyone in ULEZ advise if this is happening?

 

[markjay]

Opposite to the parking uplift, which is wrong imho, I have been told some deliveries will now cost more in ULEZ or clean air postcodes - may already be happening....?

The jobbing delivery / deliveroo / takeaway / Amazon / eBay driver will either have to charge more ( customer will be levied that) or they will stop it if they cannot find an equivalent compliant van, and competition will drop pushing up prices ( customer will be levied that again)

Can anyone in ULEZ advise if this is happening?

Could be a local thing? In London, all major couriers including Amazon, DPD etc, are already using mostly '100% electric' vans anyway.

And the major supermarket chains will not have delivery vans that are older than 8 years. In fact no national commercial organisation will be using old vans, they typically lease them new and run them for around 3 years.

So it might be a specific issue for some small couriers using old vans, in certain areas? But certainly not across the board.

EDIT - or someone who's using private contractors who use their own privately owned vans? That would exclude all those who use vans with the company livery as they are not privately owned.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Opposite to the parking uplift, which is wrong imho, I have been told some deliveries will now cost more in ULEZ or clean air postcodes - may already be happening....?

The jobbing delivery / deliveroo / takeaway / Amazon / eBay driver will either have to charge more ( customer will be levied that) or they will stop it if they cannot find an equivalent compliant van, and competition will drop pushing up prices ( customer will be levied that again)

Can anyone in ULEZ advise if this is happening?

Sounds like drivel.

All those delivery vehicles converted to petrol or newer diesel a long time ago. And delivery food tends to come on motorbikes and e-bikes.

Congestion zone, which is different, already has a lot of electric delivery vehicles, but people who live in the Congestion zone "is all rich" so it's not been an issue. Their food certainly is always delivered by suicidal bike riders, not cars.

What has happened is that delivery prices have visibly risen this year because of inflation and "Brexit." In the UK, France and the States. Too many jobs around and not enough staff.

(Only kidding about "Brexit." People used to blame "Brexit" when staff shortages and energy prices caused price increases right across the Europe)

 

[Darrell]

Always some who think they are above the law. He’ll get a nice fine eventually and he’ll wish he wasn’t so silly.

He certainly doesn’t think he’s above the law.

He’s been stopped a couple of times and told the police officers that the plate had come off which is why it was sitting on the dash. He was told to screw it back on when he got home.

 

[Darrell]

So which is bigger....the ULEZ fine....or the police fine for missing/obscured number plates??

At the time of posting this he hadn’t been fined despite being stopped twice.

 

[BTB 500]

In fact no national commercial organisation will be using old vans, they typically lease them new and run them for around 3 years.

Yep, I think they tend to only run them under warranty (probably a good idea with EU6 diesels ...). It's the small companies / self-employed/ private owners that have been affected the most as they tend to keep vans for longer. Used EU6 ones have been in short supply.

 

[Darrell]

Yep, I think they tend to only run them under warranty (probably a good idea with EU6 diesels ...). It's the small companies / self-employed/ private owners that have been affected the most as they tend to keep vans for longer. Used EU6 ones have been in short supply.

The price of EU6 vans is getting silly.

 

[st13phil]

Sounds like drivel.

All those delivery vehicles converted to petrol or newer diesel a long time ago.

That (conversion) may well be true in the larger conurbations and for the main distribution companies who run their own fleets, but it's certainly not the case "out in the sticks" where much of the domestic delivery service relies upon sub-contract owner/drivers, running their own vehicles.

 

[markjay]

That (conversion) may well be true in the larger conurbations and for the main distribution companies who run their own fleets, but it's certainly not the case "out in the sticks" where much of the domestic delivery service relies upon sub-contract owner/drivers, running their own vehicles.

See below:

Opposite to the parking uplift, which is wrong imho, I have been told some deliveries will now cost more in ULEZ or clean air postcodes - may already be happening....?

The jobbing delivery / deliveroo / takeaway / Amazon / eBay driver will either have to charge more ( customer will be levied that) or they will stop it if they cannot find an equivalent compliant van, and competition will drop pushing up prices ( customer will be levied that again)

Can anyone in ULEZ advise if this is happening?

The post was regarding couriers operating in ULEZ zones, so I imagine that rural areas won't be affected i.e. contractors will continue to use their old Diesel vans with no issue.

 

[st13phil]

The post was regarding couriers operating in ULEZ zones, so I imagine that rural areas won't be affected i.e. contractors will continue to use their old Diesel vans with no issue.

A good example is the City of Oxford and its surrounds.

The City is implementing its own ULEZ zone, yet most of the county is rural in nature. The City itself is not large enough to warrant its own dedicated courier fleet, so deliveries there will be negatively affected.

 

[markjay]

A good example is the City of Oxford and its surrounds.

The City is implementing its own ULEZ zone, yet most of the county is rural in nature. The City itself is not large enough to warrant its own dedicated courier fleet, so deliveries there will be negatively affected.

Yes, but only when delivering in the city centre, not when delivering to the areas surrounding it, and even then it will only affect freelance contractors using 8 years old (or older) Diesel vans - the overall affect across couriers and supermarket chains will be miniscule, and will continue to diminish as time goes by and these contractors trade up their vans, which they will all eventually do.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The price of EU6 vans is getting silly.

Such a shame that the EU hasn't tried to get Europe into cheap modern Euro6 vehicles,

focussing instead on getting Europeans buying insanely expensive EV's with bizarre, unwanted tech and safety features.

Still - better a £55k Tesla 3 with wireless iPhone charging for a few than a new clean £20k basic Golfs for tens of millions of Chav families in the street.

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[ChipChop]

The price of EU6 vans is getting silly.

Still plenty of nearly new low mileage EV vans with massive discounts. Check out the e-sprinters on AT. £21,500 including vat for a 21 plate e-sprinter with 10,000 miles on it. That is a £45,000 + vat van brand new. No one bar Amazon etc wants them it seems.

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