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Super unleaded - does it make a difference?

I had a Audi TT with various engine mods etc running 300BHP and i only used V-Power or BP Ultimate as i got 240 miles on a tank of normal fuel and 290 on tank of super so it paid for itself anyway.....Plus car was better to drive as well as them having cleaning agents in them etc.....
 
My very limited experience, when driving back from Exeter to Bristol on the M5, I called into Taunton Dean Services and pulled onto the wrong pump, inadvertantly filling up with super unleaded. According to the onbaord computer, up to Taunton the car was averaging 31mpg, after the fill up nearly 34mpg on the remainder of the journey. Recently returned from Torquay and car averaged 31mpg on ordinary. Maybe coincidental, I don't really know, but the additional cost of the fuel does not appear to support the extra mpg.
 
Have mainly used V Power or BP Ultimate in various turbo cars I've had including MTM TT, WRX with Ecutec etc etc and recently much modded Soarer TT and higher Octane fuel is essential for these are they are meant to run on 97+ not 95 and you can tell the difference with these - whether V power in my CLK55 will make any noticable difference or not I doubt as I don't drive like my hairs on fire too much (and I don't have much hair!!!!!) - I tend to think of the benefits better quality fuel has long term on the internals as well - V Power (and Ultimate) have been tested and are supposed to "clean" as you go. What does it say you should put in a CLK55 anyway???
 
Worse than that..

If your car is set up for higher octane, i.e. high compression or advanced timing, then using a lower octane will degrade performance.

Under those conditions, using a lower octane will degrade your engine£££

RayH
 
Just to add my 2p worth...
Tesco 99 RON improved the mpg of a re-built Audi engine (one of the old 5 cylinder ones). However, the engine was running just shy of 11:1 CR, and the improvement was less than the extra cost of the fuel.
Oddly, repeating the mpg test 40K miles later showed no improvement for 99RON, so I went back to the normal stuff.
I was getting about 5% variation in mpg between summer & winter anyway.
Ian.
 
I can see two sides to this. Before you read on, I must say that I didn't intend to type quite so much!! :eek:

1. As stated, I am in the camp that says higher octane fuel will deliver more power on a modern car, providing that it can adjusting timing in real time.

2. Whilst it may seem I’m contradicting myself, I also think much of what drivers report is placebo effect and not an actual improvement in power/performance.

So why do I contradict myself?

The additional power will only really be noticeable - even in ideal lab conditions - close to the point of maximum power as the ‘extra’ power produced by using a high octane fuel will be relative to the underlying power that the engine would produce at that engine speed using regular fuel.

In the real world, how often do we drive at even close to that? IIRC a normally aspirated CLK55 has been mentioned, and whilst I don’t have the data for that car at hand, I do for the W210 E55 which used the same engine...

To maintain the maximum legal roadspeed in the UK of 70mph, the E55 requires 24kW of the 213kW that a standard E55 should produce at the wheels. So it’s not normal driving.

When accelerating hard on the road - and judging gear shifts perfectly to keep in the power band - will mean that in reality the engine will only be operating at or near peak power for very short periods.

There are a number of critical factors though which will make the extra power performance more noticable:

A. Ability to adjust timing in realtime, hence drivers with cars featuring this capability may notice more than those without.
B. Proportion of time the engine is under heavy load, hence drivers towing may notice it more than those driving solo.
C. Underlying power output of the engine, and hence drivers of performance cars may notice it more than those driving a runabout.
D. Suceptability to knock, hence drivers of cars which have high compression high-revving NA engines or forced induction engines may notice more.
E. Fuel grade the car is tuned for, hence cars tuned for regular but with realtime timing adjustment capability may notice it more*.
F. Pattern of torque/power delivery, hence drivers with flatter output curves may notice it more as they will be driving that range more of the time

The list goes on, and the most important of all…

G. Drivers willingness to believe, hence drivers who do believe will be more likely to notice, or enhance the actual improvement through perception**.

* A car tuned to use super would need super super like BP 102 to see and improvement over super.

** The opposite is true, as a non-believer could wipe out all of those from the above!!
 
Excellent post. Although I recall from my owners manual, that the CLS63AMG is designed to run on 98 RON fuel. My CLS500 is designed for 95 RON - ie, normal stuff. I usually put in V-Power or Ultimate precisely because of the refinement, not the power. It's a high quality fuel for an expensive motor.

Would be curious to know if the CLK55 has 98 specified in the manual or not....
 
My c230k engine asks for super unleaded (98RON), the only difference i notice is the fuel consumption, its much better on super.
 
Excellent info. Interesting about it only being noticeable under load. I hadn't thought of that at all (but then I am very non-technical when it comes to cars!)

Cheers,
Jon
 
Advancing the timing, or automatically adjusting the timing as most modern engines do, will not deliver more power from higher octane fuel, only a higher compression engine can do that.

As has been said, if your engine has been designed for it, then using lower octane fuel will damage performance and, potentially, the engine itself.

Everything else is simply the placebo effect. This from a research chemist in a major petroleum company whose logo can be found on any beach.
 

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