the end of motoring as we know it

[anarchy-inc]

Let's hope this never get's implemented. It would be a sad day for motoring.

http://www.etsc.be/enforcement-speeding-vehicle.php

http://www.its.leeds.ac.uk/projects/evsc/del17.pdf

 

[Richard W]

It's going to happen one day - just make sure you've got an old car handy which doesn't have sat nav or a DBW throttle!

 

[DITTRICH]

...so then we'll need a little black box to tell the car it's somewhere else where the "limit" doesn't exist !?
Les

 

[Apial]

It's going to happen one day - just make sure you've got an old car handy which doesn't have sat nav or a DBW throttle!

This issue has been addressed by the Leeds Study. It is expected that by 2016 the equipped constained vehicles will be of such a majority that the unrestrained older vehicles will be sufficiently impeded.

 

[Alfie]

This issue has been addressed by the Leeds Study. It is expected that by 2016 the equipped constained vehicles will be of such a majority that the unrestrained older vehicles will be sufficiently impeded.

This wont impede motorcycles though!

Still, I expect by then some equally pathetic bunch of beurocrats as those in Westminster and Brussells will have outlawed motorcycles altogether by then.

 

[guydewdney]

woops - i dropped a bit of foil over the gps antenna - silly me.

 

[Shude]

This topic has been discussed before:

http://mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=8700

 

[Shude]

woops - i dropped a bit of foil over the gps antenna - silly me.

They couldn't use GPS, it's way too unreliable. They'd have to use roadside beacons but even then "whoops I unplugged it" or "whoops I installed a signal squelcher" would apply and give the same result.

 

[andy_k]

can't really see why something that makes you abide by the law should be seen as a bad thing - would anyone care to elaborate?

maybe if a local yobbo who's been tagged for burglary found a way of defeating the tag and stole your car or broke into your house you'd applaud his ingenuity?

There are still places you can drive where it's fun even within the speed limit - well there is around here and quite a few of the roads with a national (60mph) limit are bloody frightening at speeds anything near that.

Andy

 

[Shude]

There are still places you can drive where it's fun even within the speed limit - well there is around here and quite a few of the roads with a national (60mph) limit are bloody frightening at speeds anything near that.

They are a thing of the past and slowly but surely every "fun" bit of road near me has been ground down to a 30mph zone. I think the issue here is that it is intrusive. If we have tags on burglars then maybe it's because they have committed a crime? I see where you are going with that argument, in future simply getting into your car will be considered criminal!

 

[andy_k]

I'm not sure that I see it as intrusive. When we buy a car we are being sold something that allows us to break the law very easily and when we look at it in that light it hardly seems unreasonable that if the technology exists why shouldn't they stop us from using them within the law?

Just getting into your car being a criminal act, no I don't think so but stopping you getting into your car and breaking the law is crime prevention

Andy

 

[anarchy-inc]

can't really see why something that makes you abide by the law should be seen as a bad thing - would anyone care to elaborate?

Many people including myself, fell that the current speed limits and restrictions are ridiculous. Near schools, hospitals and the like, fine, slow down as it makes sense. On dual-carrageways and motorways, there is no reason to limit everyone to 70. It has been proven time and time again that the governments figures of 30% of accidents are caused by speed are dubious at best. As has been previously stated, most accidents are caused by people not paying attention or failure to judge the conditions or speed of other vehicles.

A system like this will just make the situation worse. Concentration levels will drop as people will be lulled into a false sense of security. "The car is in control, nothing bad can happen". Then, out steps a child behind a parked car , you never notice and because you are not paying attention, the child dies. It is for this reason that I don't use cruise control.

 

[Shude]

Just getting into your car being a criminal act, no I don't think so but stopping you getting into your car and breaking the law is crime prevention

Try to remember that gun crime went up after handguns were outlawed. The same will probably happen if they outlaw knives. The more you stifle people with limits and laws the more the urge is there to break through it.

Will police cars and other emergency services vehicles have the same systems installed? Maybe they will have some kind of defeat switch to turn it off - but then they break the law every time they go over the speed limit. How about a doctor's car, does he get to have a defeat switch as well?

I just think that everything seems to be speed-focused and nothing seems to be done about any of the other issues.

 

[andy_k]

yep, I agree gun crime went up after they outlawed handguns but it was already on the rise before that - statistics can be made to say anything.

Feeling that speed limits are ridiculous doesn't give you the right to disregard them or expect to be allowed to disregard them, if you think they are wrong do something positive to get the law changed.

I'm not sure where the figures you quote about 30% of accidents are a result of speed when in relaity 100% of accidents are the results of excessive speed - if you were going slow enough to stop in time then the accident wouldn't/couldn't have happened so there's another statistic to add to the list.

Raising speed limits would probably cause more accidents as there would be a greater disparity between the speeds vehicles were travelling. As a result of the greater speeds involved the fatalities would invariably rise.

Look on the bright side, if these devices were installed in your vehicle you would never need to fear another speeding ticket

Andy

 

[Benzowner]

It is possible if not probable that pressure will be brought to bare on the manufacturers, after all they could be deemed as complicit in selling the vehicle that is used by you to break the law, frightening aint it though

 

[mercedes lover]

I cant stand the thought of the car speed being regulated, anyone that thinks its amazing is just a filthy communist that wants to put hard working people that buy nice cars with there hard earnt money in the slow lane, usually the same type people that let rapists off because they say there poor people that were treated bad by society. I wish all these do gooders in this country would p**s of and take all these poor criminals with them. I say free market if you work hard to get a nice car you should be able to use it on motorways. Just my view

 

[mobbster]

why do aussie's call us all poms ???????????? PRISONERS OF THE MOTHER STATE !!
cheers all

 

[andy_k]

I cant stand the thought of the car speed being regulated, anyone that thinks its amazing is just a filthy communist that wants to put hard working people that buy nice cars with there hard earnt money in the slow lane, usually the same type people that let rapists off because they say there poor people that were treated bad by society. I wish all these do gooders in this country would p**s of and take all these poor criminals with them. I say free market if you work hard to get a nice car you should be able to use it on motorways. Just my view

but the speed of your car is regulated now, by the laws of the country you choose to live in, perhaps if you don't like the speed limits it should be you who finds somewhere that allows you to drive with total and utter disregard for "poor people"

where did the quantum leap from suggesting that because you suggest abiding by the law means that you want to let rapists go free?

I have never read such poorly written, badly spelt, ignorance in my life.

Andy

 

[garystu1965]

Then, out steps a child behind a parked car , you never notice and because you are not paying attention, the child dies. It is for this reason that I don't use cruise control.

You use cruise control in a 30mph pedestrian zone ?

 

[Spinal]

I cant stand the thought of the car speed being regulated, anyone that thinks its amazing is just a filthy communist that wants to put hard working people that buy nice cars with there hard earnt money in the slow lane, usually the same type people that let rapists off because they say there poor people that were treated bad by society. I wish all these do gooders in this country would p**s of and take all these poor criminals with them. I say free market if you work hard to get a nice car you should be able to use it on motorways. Just my view

I fully second that opinion! As for andy, can I ask you a question... can you positively say you have NEVER EVER gone a fraction of a mph over the speed limit? e.g. in the 30mph zone as you were getting late for an appointment... or on a highway while you overtook someone? or even on the m25 works area with the ridiculous 40mph speed limit at all times of the day and night? I seriously doubt it. Anyways, if they do decide to implement such a system, I will be willing to commit myself to finding ways around it. As for changing laws we don't like, that is impossible for someone who works. Thats why we elect time-wasters.... oops I mean politicians. They are meant to be taking the hassle of handling the country from us, NOT run the country for us. Subtle difference. Finally, the 30% fgure is HIGHLY innacurate. I have figures quoting "speed-over-the-limit is the major factor in about 2%-5% of fatalities. This is according to:
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D. Solomon, "Accidents on Main Rural Highways Related to Speed, Driver and Vehicle," Bureau of Public Roads, July 1964.
J. A. Cirillo, "Interstate System Accident Research Study II, Interim Report II," Public Roads, vol. 35, no. 3, August 1968.
David L. Harkey, et. al., "Assessment of Current Speed Zoning Criteria," Transportation Research Record, no. 1281, 1990.
See also Truth in Advertising.
Canadian fatalities obtained from Transport Canada "Fatalities 1978-1997" and 1998 preliminary fatalities statistics; BC fatalities (1982 to 1995) obtained from 1995 Traffic Collision Statistics (BC: Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, Research Services); BC fatalities (1977 to 1981) obtained verbally from Research Services, Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, and BC fatalities (1996 to 1998) interpolated from Transport Canada and Coroners data.
BC monthly motor vehicle fatalities based on data obtained on August 10, 1999, from the BC Office of the Chief Coroner. 12-month moving average, annual totals, and change from previous year shown.
Source: Transport Canada 1996 Casualty Rates
Data contained within study by William Mercer. An Estimation of the Presence of Alcohol and Drugs in Traffic Accidents in British Columbia. Ministry of Attorney General, British Columbia. (December 1994).
Sources: Transport Canada Traffic Collision Statistics in Canada, 1992 (not available on-line); and other US publications.
Australian State Government
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In the UK, its more like 7.3%:
Source
"Only 7.3% of accidents in the UK have "excessive speed" as a factor.

SafeSpeed UK - Only 7.3% of accidents in the UK have "excessive speed" as a factor. This means only a portion occurred above the speed limit and further that speed, even below the limit, was not the cause of this 7.3% - it was only a factor.

The UK SafeSpeed site has also been running a challenge for some time for anybody to present credible evidence that more than 5% of accidents happen above the speed limit. There are no takers. This is a highly factual site.
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Link: http://www.safespeed.org.uk/index.html

Finally, instead of forcing my lovely merc to stay behind those charming people who think it enjoyable to cruise at 30mph on a highway, why don't the goverment start imposing some more sensible things? Like total freedom of speech, total freedom of information and quite a few other ideas that I'm sure millions of people think about, but never know what to do with.

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Now... where were we?
Spinal
P.s. <rant> as for typos, I know my post will be full of them, Im typing out of rage, not out of boredom. So please, if you need to pull apart my views, flame me and my post and insult my education, please do so regarding the ideas, NOT regarding the grammar.</rant>