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Pretending that anyone who ever commented on an EV fire is a deluded crank with an agenda doesn't make battery chemistry less volatile.
 
Pretending that anyone who ever commented on an EV fire is a deluded crank with an agenda doesn't make battery chemistry less volatile.
Not what I was saying, as I think you know.
 
Not what I was saying, as I think you know.
Quite. I wasn't referring to you - or reacting to your post - merely a generalisation of the attitude of some.
 
Just the one I think:

Are you forgetting the £4 billion JLR battery gigafactory opening in 2026 outside Bridgwater, because anything JLR builds always breaks down, and catches fire?

They're building it in the South, near a rail link and a port for all the usual logistics reasons.


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And here's a photo of my house.

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Which looks exactly like the unused 235 acre plot of land in Northumberland

which isn't now going to be used for a Battery Gigafactory,

but is instead going to be used as an AI Server farm.
 
Which looks exactly like the unused 235 acre plot of land in Northumberland

which isn't now going to be used for a Battery Gigafactory,

but is instead going to be used as an AI Server farm.



So instead of the site being a contributor to the electrification programme it will now be a significant consumer of electricity.
Going well don't you think?
 
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Not to be confused with the edge of the field near Aldermaston which was converted by the AA into Britain's first ever petrol station, 104 years ago in 1920

The AA had to build the first petrol station, because the petrol companies and car manufacturers didn't see the need.


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Going well don't you think?
Yes, inward of investment for the UK worth £10 billion, 1,600 direct jobs, and 2,700 construction related jobs sounds pretty good. Work for the grandchildren of miners and fishermen.

Can't see that it's going to be a particularly large server farm compared to the others that are used to host the internet that you're using now, but it's about time someone put a high tech industry in the North East again.

How does it compare to the 750,000 sq feet and 19,000 servers at the Next Generation site in Cardiff which is the biggest in Europe? Pretty small.

And it won't be a heavy user of electricity in an area that's lost so much industry these last fifty years.

470 Server farms in the UK - do we need another one, when the UK is already the third biggest home to server farms, globally? Well, it's a high tech tax earner and employer

Yes, better to have a server farms in the remote north, while physical battery production needs faster access to the rail network, and the ports in the South, but not the South East.
 
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And? You said that you recalled reports of battery fires at Tesla dealers. Relevance to this debate - are you saying this is evidence of higher or lower risk, that they were better/less well managed than other EVs fires or other ICE fires, that ICE vehicles do/do not catch fire whilst at dealers? That EV fires are mainly/only caused by incompetence/poor maintenance? Or that they are at heightened risk of catching fire whilst they are being worked on, even by experts? I’m not being obtuse, but without some context your comment just looks like the usual anti-EV fud…”some have even caught fire at Tesla dealers”.

Sorry if unclear.

IIRC there have been a few battery-related fires at Tesla dealerships too.

This was a follow up to my comment about the Tesla battery repair company in the US burning down twice.

My point was that it's well known throughout the entire automotive community that EVs require special precautions and handling, yet even the most experienced company in the industry seemingly can't prevent them from happening occasionally at their own premises with cars they've manufactured. Hence it's not surprising that less experienced 3rd party companies can have problems.
 
Nope, I'll be happy to include that when it's actually built and producing batteries.
OK, so you're counting as a "loss" a gigafactory which has NOT been built by British Volt in the North East,

but not counting the two factories which are being built near Bridgwater and Coventry.

A perfect demonstration of the British mindset that gave away our car and technology industries to Germany, the States, China and even Japan.

Would you also like to tax - this year - the organisations contemplating spending these billions in Bridgwater and Coventry, because they're just evil capitalists trying to steal money from the hard-working unemployed of Somerset and the West Midlands?
 
OK, so you're counting as a "loss" a gigafactory which has NOT been built by British Volt in the North East,

but not counting the two factories which are being built near Bridgwater and Coventry.

Fair point, although I did originally just say
the site of a planned UK gigafactory (battery plant) has been sold for use a a data centre

And as far as I can tell both of the sites you mentioned are also just 'planned'?
 
Yes, inward of investment for the UK worth £10 billion, 1,600 direct jobs, and 2,700 construction related jobs sounds pretty good. Work for the grandchildren of miners and fishermen.

Can't see that it's going to be a particularly large server farm compared to the others that are used to host the internet that you're using now, but it's about time someone put a high tech industry in the North East again.
Already here, unfortunately not many people employed but secured like Fort Knox. Once embroiled in a tax saving scheme by the likes of Wayne Rooney and ****ne Wenger

 
Already here, unfortunately not many people employed but secured like Fort Knox. Once embroiled in a tax saving scheme by the likes of Wayne Rooney and ****ne Wenger

One of 470 Data Centres around the country.

Doesn't employ many day to day - at heart it's just an automated production line - but does take a lot of people to set it up, monitor and then update and upgrade it.
 
One of 470 Data Centres around the country.

Doesn't employ many day to day - at heart it's just an automated production line - but does take a lot of people to set it up, monitor and then update and upgrade it.
There’s 3 of them but only personnel in one and most of them security. A bit surreal inside with internal courtyard complete with ponds, this data sure live a comfortable life but I wouldn’t fancy the electric bill
 

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