The EV fact thread

[markjay]

...Obviously you can totally trust what a car reports electronically, right?

I suppose you could argue that car manufacturers had their fingers burnt with Dieselgate - amounting to both massive fine and criminal prosecutions - and won't do it again?

 

[BTB 500]

"....for a while said he drove 72 miles a day when at most he drove 20"

That's an interesting one. Can he prove that it was malicious (and be awarded punitive damages), rather than just a software bug? Unless Tesla settles his claim out of court, in which case there will be no admission of wrongdoing.

Does it have to be proven to be malicious if there's been a demonstrable financial impact on owners?

Should be relatively easy to get evidence of mileage being over-stated (driving a known distance and comparing with the change in odometer) ... one would assume they'd have done this before starting legal action. But in America, who knows

 

[BTB 500]

I suppose you could argue that car manufacturers had their fingers burnt with Dieselgate - amounting to both massive fine and criminal prosecutions - and won't do it again?

Not intentionally, maybe.

But with older cars who's to say they haven't had a backstreet software change to alter what gets output. Like say an 'AdBlue delete' now.

 

[markjay]

Does it have to be proven to be malicious if there's been a demonstrable financial impact on owners?

Yes, because his direct financial damages will be the cost of the out-of-warranty repair, plus possibly undue reduction in the car's value, plus legal costs. But the big money is in punitive damaged awarded by the jury if the company is deemed to have acted maliciously.

 

[Fastcar155]

Does any member on here use an EV as a company car covering 60000 miles a year ?

I had a diesel company Ford Mondeo and on many business days had to fill up the car twice in one day to average my 8/10 appointments per day !

Most days then started at 6.00am and finished 8.00pm.

Could I carry out my business in a modern EV car ?

 

[BIGDOG]

Does any member on here use an EV as a company car covering 60000 miles a year ?

I had a diesel company Ford Mondeo and on many business days had to fill up the car twice in one day to average my 8/10 appointments per day !

Most days then started at 6.00am and finished 8.00pm.

Could I carry out my business in a modern EV car ?

No.

You win, EV must be crap.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Does any member on here use an EV as a company car covering 60000 miles a year ?

I had a diesel company Ford Mondeo and on many business days had to fill up the car twice in one day to average my 8/10 appointments per day !

Most days then started at 6.00am and finished 8.00pm.

Could I carry out my business in a modern EV car ?

I don’t personally, but I’d say that some of my team get fairly close at around 1,000 miles every week plus personal mileage.

Around 300 miles per day is easy in a modern EV, many wouldn’t even need to charge away from home/work unless travelling further in a day.

 

[ChipChop]

Around 300 miles per day is easy in a modern EV, many wouldn’t even need to charge away from home/work unless travelling further in a day.

300 miles per day in winter/ cold weather is easy in a modern EV?

EV database.org data suggest this is just not the case. Even long range Tesla 3's do not have a 300 mile range in cold weather conditions.

I would also assume to get anywhere near the 300 mile figure the SOH % range would need to be from 100% down to near zero, which would be an unusal charging regime, no?

https://ev-database.org/imp/#group=vehicle-group&rs-pr=10000_100000&rs-er=0_500&rs-ld=0_500&rs-ac=2_23&rs-dcfc=0_300&rs-ub=10_200&rs-tw=0_2500&rs-ef=150_600&rs-sa=-1_5&rs-w=1000_3500&rs-c=0_5000&rs-y=2010_2030&s=1&p=0-10

 

[markjay]

300 miles per day in winter/ cold weather is easy in a modern EV?..

It's no problem for me. Because on a cold day in winter... I don't get out of bad. Simple.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

300 miles per day in winter/ cold weather is easy in a modern EV?

Less easy in a 15 year Mitsubishi I-MIEV, but in a modern EV which has been selected with range in mind then not so much.

What did you find hard about driving an EV?

 

[ChipChop]

Less easy in a 15 year Mitsubishi I-MIEV, but in a modern EV which has been selected with range in mind then not so much.

What did you find hard about driving an EV?

Which model of EV has a 300 mile + combined range in cold weather conditions? The Tesla model 3 long range RWD released October 2024 runs out of juice at 280 miles combined cold weather range.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Which model of EV has a 300 mile + combined range in cold weather conditions? The Tesla model 3 long range RWD released October 2024 runs out of juice at 280 miles combined cold weather range.

Don’t get too hung up on cold conditions, most journeys are not in cold conditions, most of those that are will be less than the range of most modern EVs.

For those journeys where cold conditions really do mean that a journey is just out of reach you just top up, until you reach your destination.

 

[SmartAmg]

What did you find hard about driving an EV?

Not sure he's got one, has he?

 

[BTB 500]

Don’t get too hung up on cold conditions, most journeys are not in cold conditions, most of those that are will be less than the range of most modern EVs.

Of course long motorway legs (with increased drag and little regen braking) adversely affect range all year round. If you're regularly doing 300 miles in a working day then that must be at a fairly high average speed or you'd never have time to do anything other than drive.

 

[markjay]

Of course long motorway legs (with increased drag and little regen braking) adversely affect range all year round. If you're regularly doing 300 miles in a working day then that must be at a fairly high average speed or you'd never have time to do anything other than drive.

Ever heard of Tesla FSD?

 

[190]

Don’t get too hung up on cold conditions, most journeys are not in cold conditions, most of those that are will be less than the range of most modern EVs.

What is it about cold conditions that reduces range anyway. I know there are issues like interior heating particularly without a heat pump but is it primarily because the battery is cold, in which case why not keep it warm. If I had an EV it would sleep in the garage which very rarely drops below 10 Deg C even in the coldest winter. That would reduce the initial need for interior heating and keep the battery at a reasonable temperature. Under this type of idealised use is an EV's efficiency really that much less in winter.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I always thought I would enjoy meeting you @ChipChop perhaps over a pint of Pepsi Max and whatever you’re drinking on a sunny afternoon, however I have just had a brainwave.

I’ll come and pick you up and we’ll go on an EV road trip to a destination of your choice, ideally somewhere you drive to regularly which would be beyond the ability of an EV.

I’d really enjoy that.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

What is it about cold conditions that reduces range anyway. I know there are issues like interior heating particularly without a heat pump but is it primarily because the battery is cold, in which case why not keep it warm. If I had an EV it would sleep in the garage which very rarely drops below 10 Deg C even in the coldest winter. That would reduce the initial need for interior heating and keep the battery at a reasonable temperature. Under this type of idealised use is an EV's efficiency really that much less in winter.

Keeping an EV in a garage would certainly help reduce the impact of cold weather on range, especially for short local journeys, as would setting the heating at a comfortable temperature rather than high temperature.

However in practice it’s only really relevant for those journeys for which which you can’t quite make it to your destination or a charging point along the way in cold conditions.

The vast majority of journeys are much shorter than that, or in less-cold weather. Those trips which are longer are longer, and so a pit stop to recharge along the way is required regardless.

So in practice reduction in range in cold weather makes little difference. It seems to make a big difference in theory though, which is ironic because you don’t actually travel anywhere in theory!

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Of course long motorway legs (with increased drag and little regen braking) adversely affect range all year round. If you're regularly doing 300 miles in a working day then that must be at a fairly high average speed or you'd never have time to do anything other than drive.

For those regularly travelling 300 miles in a day, then the travelling is part of their job and therefore part of their working day. As a result they plan their journeys including the need to stop to eat, drink, have a wee, make/receive/join calls, etc.

There may be some commuters driving that type of distance every day too, but I doubt there are many, I’d say exceptional. An EV might even appeal to those people because if they can charge at home or work it slashes their commuting costs.

In reality most people don’t.

 

[Fastcar155]

I don't have the luxury of being able to charge at home.As that is the case if I were still working charging the EV would from what I have read would easily put two hours on my working day.

From my understanding battery car batteries should be charged between 20 to 80% thus reducing the range considerably.

My sales territory was in an town and countryside location where finding a petrol station let alone a charging point could be challenging to say the least.

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