The EV fact thread

[philnewmerc]

A Phantom VIII would be ideal for that trip.

What an excellent idea. Old rollers and Bentleys are quite reasonably priced too

 

[Petrol Pete]

It's not range axiety that will slow down , or even kill 'big' EV's (not town cars) it's most likely to be the people who have been ordrered to build them and those tasked with insuring them according to the irasciable John Cadogan . I have only recently started watchin his content and do struggle a bit with his 'TV mannerisms ' but he does seem to dig out the facts that this thread is supposed to be adhering too . Obviously from the view of someone who clearly not an EV fan .

He did a piece a short while ago on an Israel based company that has got into bed with Polestar and is promising some knd of 5 minute charge 100 mile battery.

It would appear this mob have been promising all sorts of electronic magic for decades and has yet to deliver on one of them . Worth a look.

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[markjay]

That's the official announcement:

Polestar Global Media Newsroom

"Polestar is working with StoreDot to bring their extreme fast charging (XFC) technology to production. Dubbed ‘100-in-5’, it sees 100 miles (160 km) of range charged in just five minutes"

That's in Polestar 5... they've only just released the 3. So it will take awhile... in the meantime everyone else is also making progress.

My IONIQ 5 was introduced in 2021 with a claimed 20% to 80% charge in 18 minutes. It has been proven possible... but only when the stars align

 

[BTB 500]

Isn't it the case though that repeated fast charging accelerates battery degradation? I'm sure I read on one of the links posted here that for maximum lifespan you want to charge as slowly as possible/practical (e.g overnight at home). Obviously the odd fast charge while out and about isn't going to make any significant difference, but if you make a habit of it ... ?

Which reminds me, I don't think @clk320x responded to this question. Easy to miss posts but I'd still be interested to know:

IIRC your Model S had the battery replaced by Tesla (so capacity had dropped by over 30%) before you got it ... how long did the original one last?

As an aside I assume the warranty is based on vehicle age, so if the battery is replaced at (say) 6 years the new one is only covered for 2 years (or less if the car hits over a mileage limit first)?

 

[clk320x]

Isn't it the case though that repeated fast charging accelerates battery degradation? I'm sure I read on one of the links posted here that for maximum lifespan you want to charge as slowly as possible/practical (e.g overnight at home). Obviously the odd fast charge while out and about isn't going to make any significant difference, but if you make a habit of it ... ?

Which reminds me, I don't think @clk320x responded to this question. Easy to miss posts but I'd still be interested to know:

I don’t have the answer to your question as I took the sellers word on face value (he didn’t have any documentation saying so - but it was still under the original drivetrain warranty so had no reason to verify his claim) - although after analysing the actual battery sticker it appears to still be the original (doesn’t have a remanufactured label)… so it was probably a bit of the classic private seller nonsense to make the sale more attractive.

About fast charging, I DC charge basically every day and not noticed a noticeable change. I think I posted the article before about how supercharging has very little impact on degradation because the BMS does such a good job of managing the temps.

 

[clk320x]

“Comparison of cars that fast charge at least 90% of the time to cars that fast charge less than 10% of the time. In other words, people who almost exclusively fast charge their car and people who very rarely fast charge. The results show no statistically significant difference in range degradation between Teslas that fast charge more than 90% of the time and those that fast charge less than 10% of the time”

 

[Petrol Pete]

That's the official announcement:

Polestar Global Media Newsroom

"Polestar is working with StoreDot to bring their extreme fast charging (XFC) technology to production. Dubbed ‘100-in-5’, it sees 100 miles (160 km) of range charged in just five minutes"

That's in Polestar 5... they've only just released the 3. So it will take awhile... in the meantime everyone else is also making progress.

My IONIQ 5 was introduced in 2021 with a claimed 20% to 80% charge in 18 minutes. It has been proven possible... but only when the stars align

Yes but StoreDot has a track record of producing fruck all that works despite promising all sorts of stuff for decades . Im out.

 

[markjay]

Yes but StoreDot has a track record of producing fruck all that works despite promising all sorts of stuff for decades . Im out.

I guess it's the Elon Musk effect... tech startups keep failing and keep trying ...

 

[Petrol Pete]

As long as they keep trying , thats all that matters . One day it will pay off . If it doesnt they can always drop their retail prices by 20% .......and then by maybe another 20% if that don't work....

 

[SmartAmg]

I guess it's the Elon Musk effect... tech startups keep failing and keep trying ...

God loves a trier. (Supposedly)

 

[poormansporsche]

If it's EV facts we are talking about....

What's the difference between a Tesla and a Jehovah's Witness........

You can shut the door on a Jehovah

Boom Boom

But to bring equilibrium to this post I've recently seen 2 brand spanking new 150k plus FF Rangies and the tail gate shuts have been atrocious.

 

[zipdip]

no woman waits four hours for her date

Only ugly ones

 

[markjay]

Only ugly ones

Have you seen Anouk Aimée in her heyday....?

 

[clk320x]

If it's EV facts we are talking about....

What's the difference between a Tesla and a Jehovah's Witness........

You can shut the door on a Jehovah

Boom Boom

But to bring equilibrium to this post I've recently seen 2 brand spanking new 150k plus FF Rangies and the tail gate shuts have been atrocious.

Thank god for that last paragraph or I wouldn’t have got that ‘joke’.

 

[poormansporsche]

Thank god for that last paragraph or I wouldn’t have got that ‘joke’.

The joke is actually prehistoric and has been used many a time on whatever the current favourite slag off a car due to quality issues ala Ford Escort, Lada, Skoda etc etc. probably pre dates British Leyland !!!

 

[Connoisseur]

Interesting story about goods movement by ev…. Schneider hits 1 million emission-free miles using Freightliner eCascadia electric trucks

 

[190]

Interesting story about goods movement by ev…. Schneider hits 1 million emission-free miles using Freightliner eCascadia electric trucks

I'm impressed, I really am. I hadn't realised EV trucks had been as advanced as that.

However the journalism must be considered suspect. "1 million total miles driven – all without any carbon emissions" I wasn't aware that the US produced 100% of it's electricity from renewable sources in which case the claim of 1 million miles without any carbon emissions is just nonsense unless they mean mean only tail pipe emissions. But Trucks like that don't drive in city centres so the overall emissions into the California basin is what counts. I'm aware California is a state very much leading the way on renewable energy but even their target is not to get to 100% until 2045. The last 5 or 10 percent percent is extremely difficult to achieve over a whole year. In less benign locations than California it's probably near impossible.

There is much criticism on here about the anti EV lobby but really the pro EV side is no better when they only present half the facts. As far as the state of California is concerned those trucks are far from zero emissions overall when California's renewable electricity represents somewhere in the region of 35% of the total over a whole year.

2021 Total System Electric Generation

 

[BTB 500]

Interesting story about goods movement by ev…. Schneider hits 1 million emission-free miles using Freightliner eCascadia electric trucks

The range of those electric trucks is given as 'up to' 220 miles, so I imagine pretty careful journey planning is required (not many places you can pull one in for a quick top-up if you find yourself running low!):

Schneider opens own depot in SoCal capable of charging 32 Freightliner electric trucks at once

As freight logistics specialist Schneider National continues to electrify its fleet of regional and long-haul trucks, it decided to take...

electrek.co

Good for regular scheduled runs on known routes though (like electric buses).

However it looks like the whole scheme relied on subsidies rather than being economically viable in its own right:

The 4,900 square-foot depot in South El Monte was made possible through funding from the Joint Electric Truck Scaling Initiative (JETSI) – in which state and local agencies offer grant assistance to expedite the adoption of zero-emission heavy-duty trucks on roads.

funding for 50 of the 92 eCascadia trucks on order from Freightliner was made possible by JETSI, the California Air Resources Board (CARB), and the California Energy Commission (CEC).

 

[markjay]

I'm impressed, I really am. I hadn't realised EV trucks had been as advanced as that.

However the journalism must be considered suspect. "1 million total miles driven – all without any carbon emissions" I wasn't aware that the US produced 100% of it's electricity from renewable sources in which case the claim of 1 million miles without any carbon emissions is just nonsense unless they mean mean only tail pipe emissions. But Trucks like that don't drive in city centres so the overall emissions into the California basin is what counts. I'm aware California is a state very much leading the way on renewable energy but even their target is not to get to 100% until 2045. The last 5 or 10 percent percent is extremely difficult to achieve over a whole year. In less benign locations than California it's probably near impossible.

There is much criticism on here about the anti EV lobby but really the pro EV side is no better when they only present half the facts. As far as the state of California is concerned those trucks are far from zero emissions overall when California's renewable electricity represents somewhere in the region of 35% of the total over a whole year.

2021 Total System Electric Generation

I think they meant exhaust emissions - a common omission (see what I did there?)

 

[Connoisseur]

Tide turning? v2. In a first, EV new car registrations surpass diesel in Europe