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How can you say he was driving to close to the bikers when they approached from.behind then surrounded him rash? He couldn't slow down as they were right up he's tail.and couldn't pull over for the same reason
 
Rashman said:
Mate, you've got a wealthy (I think the term used was), respected citizen driving along with his lovely wife and young child, enjoying a beautiful drive on their anniversary.

Police interview everyone. The young man is in a bad way, wife and child are crying.

Man explains that they were "set upon" for now reason. Clutching child and crying, wife agrees with everything man says.

Meanwhile, cue "gang" of angry bikers, all shouting and disorderly.

Not hard to see which way the police will fall. :rolleyes:
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You mentioned earlier that these guys were on the cruise, not wanting to cause hassle, just enjoying the weather whilst riding their pride and joy.

The same can be applied to the guy in the RR, cant it?

I have found several stories from the NYC local press, where number of other citizens complained about large group of bikers terrorising streets before and after this incident. That included riding on the footways, ignoring traffic signals, etc. Thats not what I would class as a no-harm-done afternoon cruise.
Also, these bikers could not be identified as most had their number plates removed.
 
Whatever lead up to this, the **** on the bike at 0:25 pulls right in front of the RR (after some sort of altercation you can see seconds before). He then rolls sharply of the throttle leaving the RR no room to stop. The RR hits the biker, the biker was monumentally stupid. The other brave souls surrounding the RR then start to get nasty, the RR driver is in fear for the safety of his family and himself and flees. Me? I'd have done the same.
 
You assume there was some sort of polite request to get out of the car and have a chat...do you think that's real?
 
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The 'bikers' showed their true colours by 'beating and slashing' the RR driver once they got hold of him, yet you'd happily sit there while they did that to you in front of your wife and child?.
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I think there is a lot more to this story as Rashman said.

I can see the driver feeling intimidated ... I get that. I simply don't get how anyone could choose to flee the scene by driving over people (potentially killing them) because of a fender bender - intimidated or not.

For all we know, the "Beating and Slashing" may also be press dramatisation for what may just have been being given a left hook by a biker who witnessed him deliberately run over his mate and flee the scene.

A real beating and slashing would mean the driver wouldnt physically be able to speak to the press so soon after the incident.

I have been on large rideouts and I know how chaotic they can get and yes if there was a car amongst the bikes driving erratically or dangerously then it would be common practice for one of the nominated lead bikes to pull over when possible with the car and politely (and I mean politely) have a freindly chat to the driver and try and encourage him to simply pull over for 2 minutes and let the bikes through before carrying on the their journey as a safety measure for all.

I don't know what the rideout was about but I have been out on a similar sized ride out which was a funeral ride for a biker that was killed by a car driver. I can imagine that if a car got mixed up in the middle of a large motorcycle funeral procession and then deliberately ran over a number of bikers ... it would get ugly as this seems to have done.
 
cinek said:
You mentioned earlier that these guys were on the cruise, not wanting to cause hassle, just enjoying the weather whilst riding their pride and joy.
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Just out for a ride , no hassle ....

When I go out for a no hassle drive , I remember to leave my knives at home , sounds like at least one of the bikers didn't ;)
 
So many bikers, I assume that someone has footage of the leadup and that there is a reason for not sharing it.

With bikes swarming all around the car, the driver was probably unable to concentrate on the one that seemed intent on invading his road space.

And does it really seem a good idea to step outside your house for a chat when called out by a large masked gang...
 
cinek said:
You mentioned earlier that these guys were on the cruise, not wanting to cause hassle, just enjoying the weather whilst riding their pride and joy.

The same can be applied to the guy in the RR, cant it?

I have found several stories from the NYC local press, where number of other citizens complained about large group of bikers terrorising streets before and after this incident. That included riding on the footways, ignoring traffic signals, etc. Thats not what I would class as a no-harm-done afternoon cruise.
Also, these bikers could not be identified as most had their number plates removed.
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The same can indeed be applied to RR driver.

If that were the case then everyone would have got along fine and there wouldn't have been an incident at all.

Imagine of you were approached by a large number of bikes.

Actually, I'm sure there have been times when a lot of us have when on the road.

A load of bikes together is quite a spectacle and they dominate the road as they go (not keeping in a one-by-one formation in each lane as cars do). Most people quite like to see a large number of bikes travelling. It looks good and you don't see it often.
So what do you do? You happily find yourself slowing and making room for them to pass. You don't geer them, swerve towards them, shout abuse etc, do you?

Yes, of course, it is quite possible that this was a rogue pack, flowing like a shark through the streets, terrorising the community like the bloody Black Widows from "Any Which Way But Lose" (:rolleyes:) but all I'm saying is that I think there is more to this than a pack of bikers targeting Mr & Mrs Perfect.

As for number plates removed. mate, you want to go to car meets and cruises. You'll see lots of number plates removed. But not because they are about knock off the local Seven-Eleven! :rolleyes:

Most people remove number plates so they can "exercise" there vehicles alittle in the hope that they will reduce the likelihood of being caught doing so. Not because they are a member of The Crips. :rolleyes:
 
From my friend in New York.

The bikers had been "hooning" in a large group swarming around cars and intimidating many drivers who had already called the Police. When they surrounded the RR driver one of the bikers slowed directly in front of him. The RR hit him distracted, no doubt by the mob wheeling around him. Several other bikers decided to start kicking out at the RR and shouting at the driver. Driver decided to get the hell out of there fearing for his own safety. Biker then set of in pursuit and the rest we know about.

By any standards it would not be considered acceptable of the bikers to be driving the way that they were. IMHO.

The NYPD seem to have taken the view that the bikers were the aggressors and have charged them.
 
BenzedUP said:
Being its in America, I'm surprised the driver wasn't carrying a gun, I bet they wouldn't of followed him if he waved it out of the window lol :)

RR driver was wrong for running them over.
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Because most likely he would have 10 times more guns waved right back at him ;)
 
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This really could go on and on so we'll all just need to accept we have different views on this.

No beef ;)

But personally, I think there is more to it and I'm quite happy to be the only one to think that too :rock:
 
Rashman said:
The same can indeed be applied to RR driver.

If that were the case then everyone would have got along fine and there wouldn't have been an incident at all.

Imagine of you were approached by a large number of bikes.

Actually, I'm sure there have been times when a lot of us have when on the road.

A load of bikes together is quite a spectacle and they dominate the road as they go (not keeping in a one-by-one formation in each lane as cars do). Most people quite like to see a large number of bikes travelling. It looks good and you don't see it often.
So what do you do? You happily find yourself slowing and making room for them to pass. You don't geer them, swerve towards them, shout abuse etc, do you?

Yes, of course, it is quite possible that this was a rogue pack, flowing like a shark through the streets, terrorising the community like the bloody Black Widows from "Any Which Way But Lose" (:rolleyes:) but all I'm saying is that I think there is more to this than a pack of bikers targeting Mr & Mrs Perfect.

As for number plates removed. mate, you want to go to car meets and cruises. You'll see lots of number plates removed. But not because they are about knock off the local Seven-Eleven! :rolleyes:

Most people remove number plates so they can "exercise" there vehicles alittle in the hope that they will reduce the likelihood of being caught doing so. Not because they are a member of The Crips. :rolleyes:
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I think you are as guilty as anyone of making assumptions..."Mr & Mrs Perfect"...says it all Rash.
 
SPX said:
And just to say that my dad is a seasoned biker and has been from being in his early teens and it's Hamptons like these in the video that give proper bikers a bad name; they're the sorts that don't pull on leathers until they're in their thirties and think they're all James Toseland.

There should be a law that if you haven't passed your bike test by the time you're 25, then you shouldn't ever be allowed!
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Ironically, that would probably do little. The ones that passed their tests as a teenager and then haven't ridden at all for the next 20 years before jumping back on a sportsbike tend to be the worst for this, in the UK at least.
 
Rashman said:
As for number plates removed. mate, you want to go to car meets and cruises. You'll see lots of number plates removed. But not because they are about knock off the local Seven-Eleven! :rolleyes:

Most people remove number plates so they can "exercise" there vehicles alittle in the hope that they will reduce the likelihood of being caught doing so. Not because they are a member of The Crips. :rolleyes:
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So "exercising" you vehicle in a public road is acceptable is it? How is an average member of a public meant to take a group of masked men dressed like power ranges clearly flouting the law and banging on his windows while his family is the vehicle?

I wouldn't assume they are singing Christmas carols in support of the local charity is it? There is one thing playing devils advocate but taking their side even completely makes the argument ridiculous.

The question is quite clear if you want to answer it:

Why were the bikers charged and not the RR driver?
What would you have done in the same scenario if you were threatened? (in a similar situation with wife and child)
Why if the angelic bikers only there to enjoy a sunday stroll have knifes with them?
 
I am at present in the US and the standard of driving is appalling. Continous lane changing and tailgating. I can relate an incident that happened two days ago.
I was joining the US 19 in Florida which means that you join in the outside lane. There was very little traffic apart from one car which in my opinion was well away from me. As I continued this idiot passed me and then braked hard forcing me to brake. I changed lanes and each time i did so he immediately went in front of me and gradually slowed down and then would brake hard. Obviously if i had of run into the back of him then it would have been my fault. The two lanes to the right of myself where empty and all he had to do was pass me in the empty lane but obviously he took exception to me pulling out in front of him. He carried on with these antics until we approched traffic and he was no longer able to get in front of me.
Most of these guys carry guns, which is a frightening thought.
The incident discussed on this forum has been shown over and over again on local television. With due respect to bikers the packs of bikers over here are a law unto themselves. The will hog the road with maybe a group of a dozen or more with one or two riders on the outside making sure nobody can pass. In all fairness they do obey the speed limits and make sure that everyone else does.I am not in any hurry so it does not bother me but if I was late for an appointment or had another emergency then these vigilante cowboys would make my blood boil and it appears that this is what happened. The driver concerned could not get past as the bike rider was weaving to stop him, he then forced his way past and in doing so clipped the bike rider which started the incident.
 
Of course these were just a bunch of motorcycle enthusiasts out for a harmless recreational cruise, as the following videos posted on U tube by J Meezee the unfortunate who got run over by the Range Rover illustrate.
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These perhaps give a hint at what happened prior to the incident. If the second vid "sticks" advance it on a bit manually.

[YOUTUBE]Hw36sZAeb24[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]UDjV08KZpNA[/YOUTUBE]
 
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Doodle said:
Ironically, that would probably do little. The ones that passed their tests as a teenager and then haven't ridden at all for the next 20 years before jumping back on a sportsbike tend to be the worst for this, in the UK at least.
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Yes, sorry, that was what I meant but forgot the important part. :o
 
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