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scillyisles said:
Both Spike and Rashman based on some of their previous posts are clearly not stupid people (although you could argue that Rashman is an OCD case with his cleaning activities:crazy:) but yet their posts on this thread seem bizarrely at odds with their previous form on this forum. I wonder if someone has hacked their accounts.:confused:
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Perhaps someone is having an off day, or under undue stress...after all, they appear to have hit the Ban button without reason. :confused:
 
Not sure I agree. None of us have the full facts so we should only comment from what we saw in the video. The rest is heresay evidence at this time.

In the video we had a very limited view of what happened.

We saw bike 1 riding alongside RR gesticulating for some reason (we dont know why) He then attempted to force the RR to stop.

I think bike 1 was knocked off.. hard to tell.

We can see little else other than a stopped RR with more bikes arriving we cant see what was happening at this time.

Next we see RR run completely over a bike and rider and flee the scene.

This is followed by a 5 minute chase with an attempt by bikers to open the car door and a second biker being taken out.

Culminating with the car getting stuck in traffic and two bikers trying to break into the drivers side windows presumaby to bring the car to a final halt.

If you were a jurer you would be asked to base your opinion solely on the facts presented - everything else is heresay and potential media spin at this stage.





scillyisles said:
Whilst I am shocked by the incident and in particular the actions of the bikers, what I find even more shocking is the posts by Spike and Rashman who seem to be defending the bikers despite evidence and information shown to the contrary.

Both Spike and Rashman based on some of their previous posts are clearly not stupid people (although you could argue that Rashman is an OCD case with his cleaning activities:crazy:) but yet their posts on this thread seem bizarrely at odds with their previous form on this forum. I wonder if someone has hacked their accounts.:confused:
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Sp!ke said:
Not sure I agree. None of us have the full facts so we should only comment from what we saw in the video. The rest is heresay evidence at this time.

In the video we had a very limited view of what happened.

We saw bike 1 riding alongside RR gesticulating for some reason (we dont know why) He then attempted to force the RR to stop.

I think bike 1 was knocked off.. hard to tell.

We can see little else other than a stopped RR with more bikes arriving we cant see what was happening at this time.

Next we see RR run completely over a bike and rider and flee the scene.

This is followed by a 5 minute chase with an attempt by bikers to open the car door and a second biker being taken out.

Culminating with the car getting stuck in traffic and two bikers trying to break into the drivers side windows presumaby to bring the car to a final halt.

If you were a jurer you would be asked to base your opinion solely on the facts presented - everything else is heresay and potential media spin at this stage.
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Reports vary that the chase lasted between 30 and 60 minutes and that the driver had dialled 911

Police who are aware of the facts have seen fit to charge the biker, not the RR driver. That say's enough for me.
 
That and how the bikers behave in the other clip in post #73 suggests they seem to be the aggressors.
 
I havn't had the luxury of reading up on this so only basing my posts on what I saw in the video.

If reports are true then of course RR man has good reason for his actions.

I said very early on that there's probably a lot more to this we are not aware of.
 
davidjpowell said:
Reports vary that the chase lasted between 30 and 60 minutes and that the driver had dialled 911

Police who are aware of the facts have seen fit to charge the biker, not the RR driver. That say's enough for me.
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Trouble is the RR driver will get severe repercussions,moral of story,don't knock bikers off their machines especially if they are gang members,as some cleary were(patch wearing) a job for a new prospect to sort.I don't condone it but that's the way it is.
 
If I was a juror...bikers...guilty. Next.
 
Having watched this video few times earlier on today on a tablet, I was not able to see all the details which would probably show up on bigger screen.

The question on what happened just before the RR driver nudged the biker, has been asked in several posts on here so far.

And it is a very good question.

Why is there no footage shown minutes prior to actual contact between car and the bike?

When I was going out with my mates, there wasn't just one video camera available between all of us, number of riders would have cameras on the crash helmets and/ or bike mounted.
Same when I go mountain biking, there are always number of people recording the whole trip.

So why there is no previous footage and why it is suddenly stopped when they got hold of the RR driver after he got stuck in traffic.

Lets not forget the very important factor that the video we have all seen, was recorded by one of the riders. Would he necessarily wanted to incriminate some of his mates if they did something they shouldn't have? Probably not.

To me it is actually pretty obvious, that this has been carefully edited before posting it on the web, with one and one aim only; to portray the RR driver as a complete nutter who is out to hurt people.
Just before I saw the clip, after I read the tittle and brief description of it, i immediately sympathised with the bikers. It was only after I watched and watched it again that got me thinking. I then searched the net for more information and very quickly it became apparent, that actually, this story swings the other way it was attempted to be presented.

If we are to see any more video evidence from before and after the incident, it will certainly not come from any of the bikers, and I for second do not believe they did not recorded it.
 
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To me it is actually pretty obvious, that this has been carefully edited before posting it on the web, with one and one aim only; to portray the RR driver as a complete nutter who is out to hurt people.
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You are no doubt correct that it was edited but rather poorly, if they were doing it correctly they would have left out the other thirty or forty bikers surrounding the RR prior to the biker being hit.
 
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A few videos pulled from the guy's YouTube account which he has now removed because it shows the behavior of the group at what I believe is before the incident with the Range Rover...


Says it all really.
 
Thats one large gathering of bikes... I dont know what the ride out was about or where they were all going but it looked like chaos.

From the conversation the camera bloke had in the gas station, there were multiple groups of bikers, not just one single gang.

Whilst the riding was at best poor and in some cases downright hooliganism, it looked like that particular group were out for a bit of a hoon rather than to pick a fight or cause harm.

What a way to end the day. :-(
 
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Well the NYPD have now given a statement. Where they say that they had taken over 200 calls up to and during the incident from motorists complaining about the bikers and their behaviour.

They also state that the cause of the initial incident was the biker "clearly seen in the video" deliberately slowing in front of the RR on a public highway where there was no reason or expectation that he would do so.

Whatever we debate or think about on here surely anybody looking at the various videos can see that by any "normal" standards what these bikers were doing was intimidating at the very least. An accident waiting to happen or a deliberate act

Were I surrounded like the RR driver was. I think I would have been looking to get away. I certainly would not be thinking about a pleasant chat about bike engines and paintjobs.

The NYPD have also stated the RR driver was in fear of his life. I can see why.

Having lived in NYC for many years I would say that you simply have to accept that the attitude to guns is one that would worry most Brits. Most of us here in the UK would expect to see a gun in a shooting magazine. We gawp at armed Police at the airport. In NYC not a day would go by without you seeing a gun. That is the culture and they live mostly very happily with that culture. However they also accept that if they have a gun then other guy will have a gun. My point being here that when the Police say he was in fear of his life. We can accept that "he was in fear of his life"

As I was told in NYC. Never bring a knife to a gun fight.
 
Sp!ke said:
I said very early on that there's probably a lot more to this we are not aware of.
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Well , turns out there was judging by the statement from the NYPD !

Naughty boys. I'm sure not all bikers are aggressive like that.
 
Sp!ke said:
it looked like that particular group were out for a bit of a hoon rather than to pick a fight or cause harm.
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Are you saying that with a straight face?
 
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