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GrahamC230K said:
I asked Torquing BHP about DMS and regarding a comparison between them he said "Pepsi and Coke".

Now that's a good answer, I don't know who it was that I spoke to but it sounds as though either I was just unlucky or the chap was having an off day.... Still a massive difference in cost between the three companies though for what appears to be the same product.
 
Needless to say I am going to have to step out of this, considering my MB is for sale.

Don't even mention the gains possible on a S4, it's staying stock for the first year (warranty).
 
Well after a bit of chasing by jdrrco and myself celtic tuning did eventually call me back last week, the only problem was it was in the evening on my car phone so I missed the call. The message they left basically said they had attempted a late E320CDI a few days ago and they had run into complications as the newer models have completly different ecu's and boards fitted. I have left a message with them once again but it's been a few days now and no call back so I have given up with them! :mad:

Now what to do next? :confused:
 
Torquing BHP ??? Celtic ( pay cheap pay often )
 
I imagine this is why Torquing BHP requested the car to go to them and DMS haven't completed their tuning setup. I still haven't heard from Celtic - don't want to say "I told you so" but...
 
stats007 said:
I imagine this is why Torquing BHP requested the car to go to them and DMS haven't completed their tuning setup. I still haven't heard from Celtic - don't want to say "I told you so" but...

Looks like you were right about celtic:o

Thing is I dont want to drive all the way to Cambride to find out T-BHP can't do the upgrade either. T-BHP need the car in their workshop as they have to remove the ECU which is the same method Celtic use, its only DMS that remap without removing the ECU. (at least this is my understanding after speaking with them all)

I may give Mike at DMS another call this week and see if he has cracked the new software yet.
 
I don't know if anyone is still interested in this but Torquing BHP can now do all the new diesel models via a mobile service without needing access to the ECU directly.
 
just put an enquiry to celtic tuning and the response was "unfortunaltly we cannot remap you car"

how bizzare? short and sweet reply?

C250 TD
 
One thing I find odd about these tuning companies is that they state that
1) Your BHP will be increased
2) Your torque will be increased
3) Most importantly your MPG will increase too!
If all of that were true then why doesn't MB do it in the first place?

That said, if they can get another 30bhp and 30NM torque out of mine then I'm in.
Mac.
 
i think MB set a limit which is achievable and is generally way beneath the engines parameters. this will reduce the stress on it and lower any expected warranty issues. its possibly the best compromise the manufacturers use wieghted possibly on MPG or emmisions.

Most people will be happy with the normal performance. But those of us who wish to explore it somewhat, have to take the risk that it will affect the warranty, cost more insurance and will set the parameters closer to the limits which induces the risk of breakage. It will use more fuel while you are exploring the limits of the cars new found levels.

The MPG increase is nominal as it is based on the fact the Torque is increased. So if you drive your unmodified car at a set rate in a set gear over a set distance, say 30miles at 2500rpm in 5th/6th ot 7th if you have it. then by having additional torque will mean that you could drive the same distance either in a higher gear as the torque will allow your car to do the same speed or it will means you dont have to change down as often to maintian momentum. This should not make any differnce at all if you were on the level doing a fully sorted fuel economy run, but rather you are in the real world on a motorway trying to maintain a steady pace through the undulations etc.

so if you use the torque correctly you will gain MPG in that area, If you use the power you will see a power increase but will use more fuel. but you wont see more performance and better fuel economy on the same day.

you may gain 1 or even 2% but in reality, you boot if from a -b more coz you feel the extra torque at less than econimical speeds. In mine the after modification makes itself felt noticable between 70 and 125 where it doesnt start to lose the acceleration like it did before, after 125 or so, the extra power is only noticable on paper. ie it may do 180 rather than 176, you may notice it on a stop watch but you wont feel the difference that much. well thats with mine anyway, and it is more responsive to throttle pedal inputs than it was before.

I know what I am trying to say and I am just wondering why i tried to write it down. Coz it looks bollox.
 
Thanks Scumbag.

scumbag said:
I know what I am trying to say and I am just wondering why i tried to write it down. Coz it looks bollox.

It sounds like quite reasonable and well thought out bollocks.
:-)
Mac.
 
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mstar01 said:
just put an enquiry to celtic tuning and the response was "unfortunaltly we cannot remap you car"

how bizzare? short and sweet reply?

C250 TD

I got an e-mail back from Torquing BHP regarding mine, they can remap the C250 TD to provide an additional 35BHP for £395+vat (£464.13).

Not cheap, but I'd like to have it done. Is this group buy still happening?
 
stats007 said:
It was put on hold - basically we need 10 people to get a decent discount.

Do we have the TEN ???
 
I'm up for it, but I need to arrange it for one of my rare weekends off so I can get down to Cambridge.
 
I received the following and am possibly interested

Hello,


We are able to offer a remap for your car which will take the power from 224bhp to 274bhp and increase the torque from 510Nm to 618Nm, this will not only improve the performance but you can also get better MPG (when compared with like for like driving conditions). We also remove the 155mph top speed limiter as part of the remap.


All our remaps are fully tested and written by ourselves, they respect all emission regulations and increased power and torque is well within the design limits of the engine and transmission. The remap functions with all Mercedes diagnostic equipment and involves no physical changes to the vehicle and providing your car is serviced at the correct intervals and good quality oil is used there will be no issues at all. The code has been developed to ensure that the EGT remain at a safe level, the remap will function with the dealers diagnostic equipment and we also offer a F.O.C. service in which we would return the car back to its original code prior to a service and back again to the modified code post service if need be.


We carry out work for various main agents and independent dealers as well as the retail work we do and we are pleased to say that we have never had an unhappy customer and you will be very pleased with the results as these engines respond very well to remapping.



Prior to carrying out the work we carry out a full diagnostic check on the car to ensure that everything is in order, we have over 20yrs background is in diagnostic work so any potential problems can be quickly diagnosed.


The cost of the remap is £499+vat and will take between 3-4hrs to carry out the work at our base in Cambridge we also offer a mobile service, please contact us with your address details for a quotation.


If you have further questions please feel free to contact me and I will be happy to answer them.



Best regards,




Darrell Coutinho
 
That is a pretty impressive increase Blassberg. Especially those torque figures!
Have you checked how that would affect your insurance premiums?
Mac.
 
machasm said:
That is a pretty impressive increase Blassberg. Especially those torque figures!
Have you checked how that would affect your insurance premiums?
Mac.
Company car with company covering first party risk, and external third party only.
 

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