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*Twitch*....do I sell/convert....

ptruman

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Hi all,

It's been a while since I posted, for a variety of reasons - but mostly just been busy!

Today's ponderance is bought to you by "electric cars". I've wangled a bit of a pay-rise which also comes with an additional car allowance....so I've been "mentally shopping" (so far without actually physically shopping...)...and the "object of current desire" appears to be a Tesla Model 3 (I'd love a Model S but they are "silly money").

Why? My 2010 E350 is running perfectly well, albeit at 98K now - I've had it for 2.5 years now, I'm chewing £400 of fuel a month (solid motorway commute mileage) and Brum (where I live) is about to bring in emissions charges next year (along with other places) - so I've been looking at hybrids and electric cars. The main office has installed chargers and thus charging can happen at work and be 'free'. It cost me (or rather work, as I expensed it) £23 to drive the E350 into London the other week for the day....(I had to pick up a load of large/heavy items from central London)

The Model 3 has finally been group assessed, and Direct Line have finally starting doing quotes on it, and when I checked this morning, it was £2 more pcm than the E350, to insure the Model 3 "Long Range" model. I've built a spreadsheet that lists the costs of the E350 before and after being repaid - including direct debit tax, insurance, fuel etc - the only thing missing is service costs & MOT.

If I add up my (now paid) repayment costs and additional pay/allowance, I'm quite a bit better off a month - in fact it goes most of the way to paying the monthlies on a Model 3 (assuming £10K down and 60 months HP). For the sake of dreams, if I pretend I'm still still paying off the Merc, and swap to a Model 3 (recharge, not fuel), and I'd still be £100 a month left over, compared to the E350 "pre pay-rise". Servicing is less frequent/should be lower, there is no oil, I could charge at work (to further increase saving) and it looks promising. The Model 3 is also much quicker then the 231BHP E350 - but it's not as nice inside (the Model S is better, but as mentioned, mondo expensive).

Autotrader thinks I should get about £7K for the Merc, although it's not taking into account the fact it has all the toys it has (Distronic Plus, Night Vision, Blind Spot Assist, Lane Departure Warning, Integrated Child Seats etc etc) - so I'd potentially go toward £8K (to hack at the £10K down).

Most similar spec saloons with hybrid/electric options are much more expensive, and (unless fully electric) still require fuel costs - so the maths doesn't work.

Should I stay with the "dirty diesel"/save my pennies? Go nuts? (does anyone want a rather well specced E350?) :)
 
I had a similar conundrum with my wife's 2010 Diesel Kia, which, living in London, has become very expensive to run - but then providence sent us a boy-racer in a super-car who crashed it into our parked Kia and wrote it off... and so, as of last week, we now have a 2016 Suzuki Vitara (petrol) instead.

However - I will be watching this thread with great Interest, because my own circumstances are potentially about to change and I may find myself in the market for a new low-BIK Pure-EV or PHEV, to replace my 2013 W204.
 
Looking at BIK... the Tesla Model X is 16% this year BUT it then goes down to 2% from next year... now that's low BIK. I am sure will see loads of Teslas on the road after 6th April 2020.
 
Hmmmm....:

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You don’t sound a million miles of in the valuation of your car, a quick perusal of AT threw up a 2010 E350 CDi Sport with exactly the same mileage as yours for £6950 but that is pretty standard spec (for a Sport) so if you could find someone willing to pay the extra £1,000 on top then you’ve done ok out of it.
 
If the financial package is so attractive on certain EV your problem may be supply/delivery/availability lead times as these seem quite long to almost indeterminate for some models??
 
I'm partially holding fire on some allegations of dubious build quality, and also the five year commitment. I've never had a single car that long, and the fun of "selling out" of an HP deal (particularly with depreciation) doesn't appeal. Tesla were listing "June" for delivery and now I think are showing "July". Most of the cars are just software limited - it's only the single/dual motor difference really - so I suspect they'll have quite a few available. I also need to budget circa £1K for the home charger/installation.

I'm also aware some people will return them, and Tesla do "nearly new" inventory models for a few grand off, so that might also play into things. And the house needs some stuff doing...

My corporate leasing partner doesn't (yet) do Tesla - and our COO thinks it's to do with repair/service availability - there are not enough specialised Tesla shops in the UK so they won't commit (yet) - but I suspect with that BIK drop they're going to get some hefty demand.
 
You don’t sound a million miles of in the valuation of your car, a quick perusal of AT threw up a 2010 E350 CDi Sport with exactly the same mileage as yours for £6950 but that is pretty standard spec (for a Sport) so if you could find someone willing to pay the extra £1,000 on top then you’ve done ok out of it.

My data card is visible here - it's got a fair few fun toys on it. Dynamic seats and 4Matic would be nice, but you can't have it all :)
The Integrated Child Seats are not shown as I did those and haven't forked out for anyone to update the card.

The main snag is that it's my daily driver, so the longer I leave it, the more miles it stacks up and drops the value, so I need to fork out more.
 
You could do worse than move to Scotland!

Scottish Government will give you a 5 year interest free loan to buy your choice of ev ; they pay for the home ch
 
Charge point installation . Tesla Edinburgh have my mate north of £30K trade in for his JAAAAG and sold him a heavily discounted model S inventory model which had been a demonstrator .

Did I mention that all public charge points in Scotland are free ....
 
I looked at the Model X, but with 16% / £14k BIK this year, it seems more sensible to wait until next year when the BIK will be 2%....
 
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'13,613 individual charging devices...but only 8,400 petrol stations in operation at the end of April.' Sounds impressive, eh?

Let's put it another way. If on average each petrol station has eight pumps (probably more, but let's be conservative), and each pump has two nozzles, that would be 67,000 petrol/diesel 'individual charging devices'.

Each of those can fill a fuel tank to full in at absolute worst five minutes. The EV charging devices, to 100% charged? On average, how long; your guess is as good as mine, but maybe four hours? Hmmm...

There's lies, damned lies and statistics... (and I'd add 'Government Statistics' as a fourth category, but I digress...).
 
Er, isn't that what I said in my post? Locations != Pumps and liquid fuel is faster....

I think the point is speed of expansion. It's relatively fast to shove a charge point in, and needs nothing bar mains. Petrol stations can't just "pop up" as fast.

They also may not be counting home chargers, as "owned" cars likely have one and only need to charge on a long run, otherwise can charge overnight. In theory you don't need as many locations if you have work/home options :)
 
That's what you said, and more. The point I reinforced is that the bare statistics are misleading...
 

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