W204 manual - judder when pulling off

[carat 3.6]

Welcome to the world of useless crap that is the dual mass flywheel.

 

[flango]

Get the flywheel skimmed and all will be good again. £40 + labour to remove and refit. We used to do loads.

 

[milligp]

I wish you were local as I wouldn't know who to get to skim the flywheel

Thanks for the replies - at least I know where to look

 

[Tim203]

Get the flywheel skimmed and all will be good again. £40 + labour to remove and refit. We used to do loads.

Just curious but this is to take the dual mass flywheel apart to machine it and not to do the whole job of removing gearbox etc. to get it off the engine?

 

[grober]

Sounds like a dual mass flywheel problem- if its that its a replacement assembly job as its the damping springs that fatigue.

 

[flango]

Just curious but this is to take the dual mass flywheel apart to machine it and not to do the whole job of removing gearbox etc. to get it off the engine?

Correct £40 is just the machining cost

 

[flango]

Sounds like a dual mass flywheel problem- if its that its a replacement assembly job as its the damping springs that fatigue.

Or the flywheel that warps which is what we usually saw. You can tell by driving the car which scenario it is but people replace the whole assembly when sometimes its not necesscary

 

[milligp]

Is it a big job to remove from car?

 

[milligp]

On another note - can anybody recommend a good garage for clutch/flywheel replacement anywhere north of yorkshire would be good

 

[grober]

If going to the major labour expense of removing a dual mass flywheel from a car it would be short sighted to merely skim a dual mass wheel rather than replace the entire assembly +clutch even if on inspection that's the only immediate problem. Car Mileage and type of usage would be a factor to be taken into consideration obviously when assessing complete replacement.

 

[T5R+]

Suspect the majority on manual MBs suffer this issue?

As someone who is lover of manuals and drives 30K/year have found the MB to be the only one of my cars that judders in 1st no matter how you take off (double de-clutch only marginally helps). Oddly, it is inconsistent BUT when being a pain in the a*** also exhibits jerkiness when engaging reverse.

This madness manifests itself once or every other month. (no smutty jokes, thanks).

 

[rash.m2k]

I've got exactly the same issue. From my observations it seems to happen less when cold - but can still happen, when the engine is warm it doesn't happen all the time.

It's much more obvious when there is an incline (it's not the hill hold functionality where the brakes are automatically applied). Once you've got passed the point where the judder happens in first gear (biting point), then it pulls fine without any issue at all.

It can be reduced by accelerating slowly when on a flat surface. I have noticed that sometimes it totally disappears.

Have any of you guys been able to determine the cause? Mine is 2012 C220 manual with 66k on the clock, i do mainly motorway so can't be clutch gone bad. Could be that the biting point is a little false? And you need to release the clutch rather than holding it at the biting point?

 

[Sheffield Col]

I would be looking at the uj's on the prop-shaft. Just something to consider.

 

[rash.m2k]

i would be looking at the uj's on the prop-shaft. Just something to consider.

uj? 'Something' joint?

 

[Sheffield Col]

uj? 'Something' joint?

UJ = "Universal Joint". some people call them "Hardy Spicer"

 

[zahidw204]

suffering from the exact same problem

Hey guys got the exact same problem, now a few weeks ago I did take my car to the dealership for a service, plus had them check this problem out, the service advisor told me "the car drove perfectly fine" and found no faults.

Now the problem has been there for almost a 6 months its very intermittent, but is very annoying as to my passengers it's like as if I can't drive a manual car lol.

It is actually just the 1st gear, I feel this can be worse on a rainy day.

Has anyone got to the bottom of this?

 

[rash.m2k]

Hey guys got the exact same problem, now a few weeks ago I did take my car to the dealership for a service, plus had them check this problem out, the service advisor told me "the car drove perfectly fine" and found no faults.

Now the problem has been there for almost a 6 months its very intermittent, but is very annoying as to my passengers it's like as if I can't drive a manual car lol.

It is actually just the 1st gear, I feel this can be worse on a rainy day.

Has anyone got to the bottom of this?

I can't PM anyone who has posted here to nudge them to post.

Not sure about the rainy day - i'll have to check when it does rain.

But for me when the engine is cold it's fine no problem, even when the temp reaches normal (90C?) it's still fine, it's only when the clutch heats up I believe that it does it - however reading the honest john thread I'm not sure I can say it's the clutch heating up, all I can say is stop start traffic makes it worse quicker than motorway.

I drive about 45min on the motorway, then hit stop/start traffic and it doesn't judder at all! This means it must be the something is heating up as the engine temp has been up for about 40mins by this stage, so takes time for the heat to conduct.

Although not the same car, this thread on honest john is pretty much identical to mine, perhaps they are the engine/gearbox mounts? I mean driving on the motorway the underside is constantly cooled with air.

Avensis Petrol 1.8 - Clutch Judder When Used a Lot | Technical matters | Back Room Forum | Honest John

 

[andre252]

Hi,
I have a C coupe (2012) and I have the same problem. Does anyone found the solution?

 

[190]

Reading through the thread again many people said they got used to it. I can say the same after owning mine for nearly 3 years. I was initially fearful of it being the dual mass flywheel failure but the original poster had only done 21,000 miles and others were also low mileage so perhaps not. If it had been the flywheel the symptoms would surely after 3 years have gotten worse not better. One thing I picked up on is someone said the handbook recommends starting in 2nd so I have adopted that method which does resolve the problem. I now use 1st only when it's really needed and don't experience any judder. One thing that might be at the root of the issue in the first place is the long standing Mercedes practise of a ridiculously low ratio for first gear that's fit for steep hill starts and not much else. It's the only thing I dislike about the gearbox.

 

[andre252]

The problem is not the dual mass flywheel because my mechanic saw that it was OK!
Thanks for the advice
But I really want a solution!
I have search in the internet and no one knowes why this probelm happen. There must be a way to fix it. I can't believe I bought a car with and has a problem right in the 1st gear LOL