Will diesel cars get banned ?

[Parrotman]

Don't know where these people are coming from:

Forcing diesel cars off the streets is political lunacy - Telegraph

ps.

I love my diesel !

 

[renault12ts]

Still April 1st.

 

[Charles Morgan]

K&C have had a diesel car premium for at least three years, so I have no idea (well I do) why the outrage now.

Anybody who breathes London air would understand that diesel has its costs in poor air quality.

 

[st4]

Why? A diesel emits more particulate by mass but the really harmful particulates come from petrol engines as these consist of pm2.5 that pass into blood streams rather than the pm10 stuff out of diesels which mucas catches

 

[Charles Morgan]

Air quality is not just a function of the most damaging particulate size. The combination of the congestion charge, CO2 based taxation and parking (yes, K&C charges by CO2 output) has been to increase the number of diesels dramatically and as someone who has to breath this stuff on a regular basis, it is no wonder that London faces massive fines for poor air quality. I wouldn't be surprised in 10 years time if the only vehicles allowed into central London are electric.

 

[markjay]

It actually makes sense. When something becomes popular, tax it.

Do you really think that when the majority of cars in London will be electric, the concessions will continue? Owners will pay Congestion Charge and parking like everyone else.

And when all cars on British roads will finally have minuscule CO2 emission, do you really think that everyone in the UK will simply be exempt from Road Tax? Think again...

So Diesel cars are now sought-after. This means that drivers can be milked. For starters, the price at the fuel pump is higher, simply due to supply and demand. People actually want Diesel cars these days, so taxing them makes sense.

I meant, makes sense to the government, not to the public of course.

 

[Oli]

I recently bought a diesel car to accompany the E55K as seeing 11-12 MPG in traffic every day was getting tedious plus keeps the milage down, a nice £300 Pug 405 1.9D,drives pretty well actually, haven't actually run it on diesel yet, seems to like cooking oil more.

How do the plans to tax diesels more effect old ones like this? which are usually worse for the enviroment, mine doesn't even have a cat!, although running on cooking oil must be pretty enviromentally friendly I would guess.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

K&C have had a diesel car premium for at least three years, so I have no idea (well I do) why the outrage now.

Anybody who breathes London air would understand that diesel has its costs in poor air quality.

What is K&C, Charles?

 

[Oli]

What is K&C, Charles?

The London Borough of Kensington & Chelsea where every car is a Black Range Rover or a Silver 911.

 

[Dieselman]

Kensington and Chelsea.

 

[markjay]

Not to be confuse with KFC.

Of which there probably aren't that many in K&C....

 

[christopherwk]

Not to be confuse with KFC.

Of which there probably aren't that many in K&C....

KFC Store Locations | Search | KFC Store Locator - KFC.co.uk

Sorry - I had to find out as you got me intrigued!

Used to live in Chelsea - I remember there also used to be a KFC in South Kensington on Old Brompton Road towards the station.

 

[welland99]

I recently bought a diesel car to accompany the E55K as seeing 11-12 MPG in traffic every day was getting tedious plus keeps the milage down, a nice £300 Pug 405 1.9D,drives pretty well actually, haven't actually run it on diesel yet, seems to like cooking oil more.

How do the plans to tax diesels more effect old ones like this? which are usually worse for the enviroment, mine doesn't even have a cat!, although running on cooking oil must be pretty enviromentally friendly I would guess.

I'm pretty sure its illegal tax evasion to run a car on cooking oil (same as using red diesel). The only way it is legal is if you brew it properly into biodiesel, then declare your production to HMRC.

 

[renault12ts]

I'm pretty sure its illegal tax evasion to run a car on cooking oil (same as using red diesel). The only way it is legal is if you brew it properly into biodiesel, then declare your production to HMRC.

Not illegal...but must be declared.

 

[Shude]

I'm pretty sure its illegal tax evasion to run a car on cooking oil (same as using red diesel). The only way it is legal is if you brew it properly into biodiesel, then declare your production to HMRC.

This is only true if you wish to use more than 2500 litres per year.

 

[219]

I 'think' that is only true if you are manufacturing biodiesel for use as a road fuel ( a farmer friend does this and declares it to HMRC ) , but if it is 'waste vegetable oil' you are burning ( such as the owner of a chip shop might ) then no declaration is needed since you are just disposing of a waste product in a different way .

 

[Dieselman]

The 2,500 litres limit still applies as over that figure is seen as commercial use or supply.

 

[Oli]

I'm pretty sure its illegal tax evasion to run a car on cooking oil (same as using red diesel). The only way it is legal is if you brew it properly into biodiesel, then declare your production to HMRC.

You're allowed to use 2500 litres per year tax free, just safe to keep a record(notebook in glovebox of how much you have used, dates etc)

 

[Charles Morgan]

What is K&C, Charles?

Big apologies, I was using a TLA (three letter acronym), a use I normally abhor. My only mitigation is the linked linked article refers to Kensington & Chelsea, which I find in its longest form, The Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea, a PITA (FLA) to write in full.

And there are plenty of older non flash Mercs around, and today I even gave way for a Pagani Zonda, followed by an even more delightful BMW E9 3.0 CS.

 

[219]

2500 litres is only 25 tanks full of fuel , for a typical private user who perhaps uses a tank per week , that only represents half a year's motoring - hardly commercial .

Aside of the ruling , how are they ever going to prove it ? Sure , you can estimate on mileage covered between MOT's , but you could have used regular Diesel some of the time and . as long as you have put some Diesel in during the year , any analysis of tank or filter contents will prove nothing .

The onus would be on HMRC to prove guilt , not the other way round .