Worst Cars Of All Time

[tron]

My boss had one, a Diesel. My soul, it was bloomin' dire. Sogginess personified, didn't go, didn't steer and rode like a bouncy castle half filled. The steering wheel had all the tactile attraction of a month old corpse and it beeped, clanged, gonged, whistled and buzzed every hundred yards to tell me something I didn't wish to know. Quite the most irritating driving experience I ever had and so distracting as to make me feel quite unsafe.

 

[CLSMark]

My boss had one, a Diesel. My soul, it was bloomin' dire. Sogginess personified, didn't go, didn't steer and rode like a bouncy castle half filled. The steering wheel had all the tactile attraction of a month old corpse and it beeped, clanged, gonged, whistled and buzzed every hundred yards to tell me something I didn't wish to know. Quite the most irritating driving experience I ever had and so distracting as to make me feel quite unsafe.

E91?


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[grober]

Not so much for its looks or its reliability because its a reminder of what happened to the British car industry. Basically down to the same team that built the Morris Marina! We all know what happened to British Leyland whatever happened to HYUNDAI ?
When Hyundai wanted to develop their own car, they hired George Turnbull, the former managing director of Austin Morris at British Leyland in 1974. He in turn hired five other top British car engineers, Kenneth Barnett as body designer, engineers John Simpson and Edward Chapman, John Crosthwaite as chassis engineer and Peter Slater as chief development engineer. With Turnbull's experience with the Morris Marina, engines and transmissions from Mitsubishi, some parts from the Ford Cortina they were already producing, and a hatchback body styled by Italdesign Giugiaro, they developed the Hyundai Pony.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Pony

 

[Tuercas viejas]

Your Comment:-
Because its a reminder of what happened to the British car industry. Basically down to the same team that built the Morris Marina!

With the demise of the industry (And B/L in particular) the people that worked there just didn't fade away with their engineering creative talents. Rather they went to other companies and they enjoyed & benefited with the abundance of talent that was suddenly available in the job market.
Cast onto the four winds people I know found lucrative jobs with Euro manufacturers and those further apart.
In fact I know of one individual who married a Russian gal and ended up being employed in the R& D dept at the Kamaz plant.

With a company film like this who wouldn't want to speak Russian!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAzdkyysyE0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FcEuuakWPg
T/V

 

[Deleted member 11979]

It always makes me sad, the state of the current British car industry, it's not that the brits can't make a decent car, witness all the Astons, Jags, Land Rovers, Nissans, Rolls Royces etc , it's just we don't seem to be able to make mass market cars with broad appeal on our own

Why is this I wonder?

Take Land Rover, premium product but all but the FFRR seem only 90% finished in comparison to say a VW, BMW or even Hyundai

A Rooks Royce is finished, but look at the price

 

[MarkACLS]

It always makes me sad, the state of the current British car industry, it's not that the brits can't make a decent car, witness all the Astons, Jags, Land Rovers, Nissans, Rolls Royces etc , it's just we don't seem to be able to make mass market cars with broad appeal on our own

Why is this I wonder?

Take Land Rover, premium product but all but the FFRR seem only 90% finished in comparison to say a VW, BMW or even Hyundai

A Rooks Royce is finished, but look at the price

Re - "Take Land Rover, premium product but all but the FFRR seem only 90% finished in comparison to say a VW, BMW or even Hyundai "

I can only go on my own personal experience with Land Rover, but I have only had positive experiences.

I currently have a 2017 Discovery Sport HSE (wife's car), its interior is well finished with premium materials and clever. Its infotainment works well and looks good - dare I say better than Mercedes right now? And its 4 wheel drive capabilities are best in class.

It replaced our 2007 Land Rover Discovery 3 XS which had the v6 2.7 TD. We drove that for 76K miles and the only thing that went wrong was an EGR valve on the right hand bank. It was a really excellent car. It was so much more substantial than any competitor (Volvo XC90?? X5??, Q7- no way can they do what the Discovery can do - XC90 (Had 2 of them before) uses a haldex part time driven 4WD, Discovery has real air suspension, adjustable ride height, locking rear diff, terrain response system and was amazing in bad weather and off road - as capable, perhaps more so, than my Defender 110 all while carrying 7 people with loads of space and comfort. And it will pull up to 3 tonne un-braked.

As far as 'finished' - no trim part fell off or looked bad after 10 years of family of 5 use. Just a wipe down and everything looked like new and leather never looked worn. When we sold it at 10 years old.. it looked new inside after a good clean and Land Rover were happy to take it back in part ex and gave good money for it - so residual value was very good.

Again not something that can be said all the time for other 'premium''' vehicles I have owned.

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[Deleted member 11979]

Re - "Take Land Rover, premium product but all but the FFRR seem only 90% finished in comparison to say a VW, BMW or even Hyundai " I can only go on my own personal experience with Land Rover, but I have only had positive experiences. I currently have a 2017 Discovery Sport HSE (wife's car), its interior is well finished with premium materials and clever. Its infotainment works well and looks good - dare I say better than Mercedes right now? And its 4 wheel drive capabilities are best in class. It replaced our 2007 Land Rover Discovery 3 XS which had the v6 2.7 TD. We drove that for 76K miles and the only thing that went wrong was an EGR valve on the right hand bank. It was a really excellent car. It was so much more substantial than any competitor (Volvo XC90?? X5??, Q7- no way can they do what the Discovery can do - XC90 (Had 2 of them before) uses a haldex part time driven 4WD, Discovery has real air suspension, adjustable ride height, locking rear diff, terrain response system and was amazing in bad weather and off road - as capable, perhaps more so, than my Defender 110 all while carrying 7 people with loads of space and comfort. And it will pull up to 3 tonne un-braked. As far as 'finished' - no trim part fell off or looked bad after 10 years of family of 5 use. Just a wipe down and everything looked like new and leather never looked worn. When we sold it at 10 years old.. it looked new inside after a good clean and Land Rover were happy to take it back in part ex and gave good money for it - so residual value was very good. Again not something that can be said all the time for other 'premium''' vehicles I have owned. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk

I have a 2017 discovery sport hse on my drive presently for the sole reason that out recently purchased 2014 discovery 4 is back with the main dealer having wobbly wing mirrors fixed

The discovery sport is indeed a fine car, it drives nicely and has a smart interior,

I don't think Land Rover products are bad, otherwise I wouldn't have one, but they never feel as polished as some other brands

For example, out disco 4 has 4 or 5 different styles of interior switch depending upon where you look, and in which facelift they were introduced, there are no cup holders or storage cubbys in the centre row of seats, apart from deep door pockets that our kids have no chance of reaching from their booster seats, not great on a family vehicle


I've not measured it, but I suspect there is more leg room in the rear most seats than the centre row too. Our car has the plastic finish degrading in the roof rails , windscreen trim panel and rust on the chassis, its three years old!!!

A bit more attention would turn a great car into a fantastic one, that's all I'm meaning, good to hear yours has been so reliable, hopefully ours will be too

 

[Deleted member 11979]

Thinking about it I've actually got 3 Land Rover products, a Series 2 and a Series 3 so I'm a bit of a fan

 

[grober]

Perhaps the point to ponder is that LANDROVER, once part of that illustrious ROVER heritage was owned by Ford since 2000 and TATA since 2008.

 

[Lennox]

Perhaps the point to ponder is that LANDROVER, once part of that illustrious ROVER heritage was owned by Ford since 2000 and TATA since 2008.

And by BMW!


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[grober]

And by BMW!


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From wikipedia
History

The Rover Group plc was formed by renaming BL plc in 1986, soon after the appointment by Margaret Thatcher of Canadian Graham Day to the position of Chairman and Managing Director of BL.[2]

After divesting of its commercial vehicle and bus manufacturing divisions, and the spares and logistics firm Unipart, the company then consisted of the car manufacturing arm Austin Rover Group and the Land Rover Group. This group was privatised in 1988 by the sale of the company to British Aerospace (BAe) for £150 million,[1][3] who retained Day as joint CEO and Chairman, and made Kevin Morley MD of Rover cars. The group changed its name again in 1989 to Rover Group Holdings Limited.,[4] whilst the car manufacturing subsidiary Austin Rover Group Limited shortened its name to Rover Group Limited.

On 31 January 1994 BAe sold its 80% stake in the company on to German vehicle manufacturer BMW[4][5] for £800 million (a takeover which caused uproar in the House of Commons),[6] the name changing again in 1995 to BMW (UK) Holdings Limited.[4] The Japanese manufacturer Honda, who owned the remaining 20% stake, terminated the long-standing alliance with BL/Rover which had been in existence since 1980 and also sold its shares to BMW a month later, although the licensing agreements surrounding the manufacture of the collaboratively developed Rover 200, 400, 600 and 800 models remained in place.

Millions of pounds of investment by BMW failed to turn the company into profit.[5] It has been estimated that the entire Rover bankruptcy cost BMW fifteen billion Marks.[7] In March 2000, BMW announced its plans to sell the Rover Group. Within two months, the core of the group (the MG and Rover sections) had been sold to the Phoenix Consortium, while BMW retained the rights to build the forthcoming new Mini, and sold the Land Rover division to Ford.




Twas rumoured at the time that BMW wanted to get their hands on HONDA'S engine and production technology much of which had been shared with Rover Group. Perhaps turned out to be quite an expensive buy.

 

[Deleted member 11979]

Perhaps the point to ponder is that LANDROVER, once part of that illustrious ROVER heritage was owned by Ford since 2000 and TATA since 2008.

It can't be blamed on that, my volvo was conceived under Ford and has rear cup holders

 

[tron]

BMW called Rover "The English Patient" at the time.