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[Dieselman]

I thought you had to pay the Con Charge just to be on a public street in the zone, whether you drove your car or not ?

Only if you pass the cameras, otherwise no charge.

And don't people living within the zone get a 90% reduction, or is that being abolished for vehicles over 225g/km.?

 

[hawk20]

Finally, we got there.

No one is saying don't drive a car, just chose one that pollutes less that way you avoid the charge.

This is all Ken is after.

Guido, you're gonna look good in one of these..

Or one of these if you fancy a bike..

No we sadly have not got there yet. Ken is not after that. His own experts, page 146 of their report, show him and all of us , that his proposals will neither reduce congestion nor emissions. Flawed policy motivated by envy and prejudice IMO.

 

[C240Sport97]

there is no resident discount for 226g/km

And don't people living within the zone get a 90% reduction, or is that being abolished for vehicles over 225g/km.?

 

[hawk20]

Only if you pass the cameras, otherwise no charge.

And don't people living within the zone get a 90% reduction, or is that being abolished for vehicles over 225g/km.?

Yes abolished. So for them charge goes up from 10% of £8 --from 80p per day-- to £25.

This could just about be justified if we said it will apply to all cars bought from, say, May 1st this year onwards, but to impose it on a family who have already bought ,say a Volvo estate, or an E class petrol estate, because they have kids and a dog and need the space with no warning, is just plain vicious IMO.

All we can ask citizens to do is to obey the law at the time they make a purchase. To change the Law and penalize them afterwards for doing something that was totally legal at the time is not and has never been the British way. That is the basis for parliament and most rational people rejecting retrospective legislation as unfair and unjust.

 

[Dieselman]

Yes abolished. So for them charge goes up from 10% of £8 --from 80p per day-- to £25.

This could just about be justified if we said it will apply to all cars bought from, say, May 1st this year onwards, but to impose it on a family who have already bought ,say a Volvo estate, or an E class petrol estate, because they have kids and a dog and need the space with no warning, is just plain vicious IMO.

When was this first proposed and published as coming into force? I suspect it wasn't recently.

 

[MBManInKen]

Guido, you're gonna look good in one of these..

Off with your head, I say!

 

[verytalldave]

Only if you pass the cameras, otherwise no charge.

And don't people living within the zone get a 90% reduction, or is that being abolished for vehicles over 225g/km.?

Thats not true.
If your car is within the charging zone, whether it is being driven or not, providing it is on a public road, then you are liable for payment.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/roadsandpublicspaces/7411.aspx
TFL have mobile camera vans and cars and if your car is on the road, parked or not then you will need to make the payment. I have seen adapted SMART cars equipped with ANPR cameras driving down Holborn outside my office. So dont think for one second a parked car is exempt!
You can only OFFICIALLY avoid payment charge if your car is on private land, for example a car park or driveway.

You may be interested to learn that even cars in CO2 band A do not escape a charge totally. You have to register the car with TFL and pay an annual fee (tax) of £10 to be able to escape paying the charge. If you dont register, then you are liable for the £8 charge.
As a car driver, NOBODY gets into the London CO2 zone for nothing.

 

[MBManInKen]

Only sort of.....it just highlights a way to not suffer any conjestion charge or road tax.

But we are not preventing most people from buying and running these cars, only the small group of us in Central London which happens to be the group that least uses them.

We might or might not evolve towards a society where large engines aren't allowed, but it ought to remain an equal and fair process.

By the way (just to wind you up a little ), the best way to improve air quality here in Central London would be to ban diesel .

 

[hawk20]

When was this first proposed and published as coming into force? I suspect it wasn't recently.

Somebody will correct me but I think it was in the last twelve months. A search of the threads will reveal. BUT it won't help. Some of the cars affected go back to pre 2001 don't they and certainly to cars bought several years ago.

You see if he had just said Band G cars bought from tomorrow onwards it would have been OK -just.

Brown said band G would be from midnight on March 23rd 2006. NOTHING BEFORE was affected. He should insist Livingstone follows the same logic.

In fact, the rules would be better nationally set. Not locally.

 

[MBManInKen]

And don't people living within the zone get a 90% reduction, or is that being abolished for vehicles over 225g/km.?

It is. No resident discount for the 25/day.

 

[MBManInKen]

When was this first proposed and published as coming into force? I suspect it wasn't recently.

I was made aware of this new scheme through the consultation, which came out a few months ago.

 

[robert.saunders]

Thats not true.
If your car is within the charging zone, whether it is being driven or not, providing it is on a public road, then you are liable for payment.

Is that correct? I am curious, not disbelieving you....

I don't understand how the mobile cameras would record VRM of a parked vehicle - surely to create the charge the vehicle has to move (from 1 point to another?)

 

[Dieselman]

I have seen adapted SMART cars equipped with ANPR cameras driving down Holborn outside my office. So dont think for one second a parked car is exempt!
.

How do you know these ANPR cars are TFL vehicles, does it say on them?

Thanks to your link I've only just realised that the new charges come into force in October 2008.

That is plenty of time for most people to make a decision about their car. A lot of those affected will have changed their car before then anyway.

 

[verytalldave]

Is that correct? I am curious, not disbelieving you....

I don't understand how the mobile cameras would record VRM of a parked vehicle - surely to create the charge the vehicle has to move (from 1 point to another?)

My interpretion is that it is a charge for being in "the zone". It is impossible to differentiate between cars that have entered the zone legally without payment (for example, on a Sunday) and another that has been parked for several days, and another that has entered the zone without going through one of the many the camera points at the start of zone charging. It is easy to enter the zone without going past the first banks of cameras. All you have do do is know your way around the back streets. However, its very difficult to go very far without being "spotted".
I am merely employing a degree of logic here. If your car is parked within the zone and an ANPR car/van drives past, then you WILL be liable for payment. No doubt this may very well be a point raised soon after the 27th October.

 

[verytalldave]

How do you know these ANPR cars are TFL vehicles, does it say on them?

Thanks to your link I've only just realised that the new charges come into force in October 2008.

That is plenty of time for most people to make a decision about their car. A lot of those affected will have changed their car before then anyway.

Yes. The Smart car I saw was awash with TFL stickers proclaiming its purpose. No doubt to act as both a deterent as well as a spotter car.

 

[robert.saunders]

TfL use SMART cars with camera enforcement to enforce the red routes

 

[C240Sport97]

This really is crazy ...

So, even if you are not using your car (i.e. the car has not been started and driven in and/or out and/or around the Zone during the charging hours), and therefore not polluting, you pay !!???!!

Thats not true.
If your car is within the charging zone, whether it is being driven or not, providing it is on a public road, then you are liable for payment.

 

[Dieselman]

This really is crazy ...

So, even if you are not using your car, and therefore not polluting, you pay !!???!!

You're taking up road space....Conjestion....

 

[C240Sport97]

Yes, but it is being rebranded the C02 charge.

You're taking up road space....Conjestion....

 

[verytalldave]

TfL use SMART cars with camera enforcement to enforce the red routes

I have also seen them "on duty" up Shaftesbury Avenue - where there are no bus routes at all - red or otherwise. So presumably they must have a dual role. One - to enforce red route useage, and Two - to check on car/van zone payments.