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55k cooling upgrade

Ginger55k

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The 55k is a great engine and drive chain, "bullet proof" is what you will hear most often say, but the cooling???

Ok the AMG design team built a luxury car to transport executives down the German Autobahns and not a car to be thrashed up and down the quarter mile or on the track.

Savmans previous thread covers the basics.
http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/amg-performance-lounge/159006-tuning-55k-part-3-ic-cooling.html

So the beginning of this story is a chat with Olly and the boys at PCS, what was needed was a supplied donor car that the boys could have for a length of time to design fit and build a more suitable cooling system.

Ok fact number one, if your going to mod these cars either very early on or soon after the massive heat soak these engines produce will catch you out and the engines ECU will retard timing eventually disconnecting the supercharger clutch to put a stop to your fun and games.

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As has been stated before on the AMG threads regarding the Eurocharged events, a high number of cars turning up with a poor performing or dead IC pump which the owners were not aware of for other upgrades or dyno runs/tunes.

Unfortunately I fell into the category of owners with a failing IC pump having experienced the clutch disengage before, which happens at the extreme end of the IAT range.

More importantly is what is happening to your car at those mid level temperatures i.e. pulling the timing or in laymans terms "robbing your horses" which without using some sort of data logger most owners would be oblivious to the loss of power.

I am using an Android tablet with Torque pro app and a bluetooth obd2 module to capture the live data.

So hear is the stock graph, ambient air temperatures at 18c during test, and an eye watering 103c peak, repeated WOT and break runs carried out to stress the cars cooling system.

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The next phase or stage 1 of the upgrade involved the replacement of the OEM IC pump, a Johnson CM30 pump was fitted it was also noted that there was some previous damage to the stock HE and a very slight leak, so out with stock and in was fitted a new Eurocharged HE.

Huge difference on data logging, bearing in mind the ambient air temp was 9 degrees C, and trying to recreate the same run was difficult, but again WOT and brake used to stress the cooling system as before.

I certainly did not have to look at any readings at the time, I knew this time it felt different much more responsive and keen to get going, even after the 3rd or 4th WOT it just felt so much more.

This time the highest value was 39C

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So the car is now ready for stage 2, a second Johnson cm30 pump with additional hose, splitting the HP/LP cooling circuit, and fitting a engine bay tank.

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The following shows the underside outlet and return for the cooling water.

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Thanks to the PCS team Olly,Jack and Graham
 
COOL! (pun intended).....where in the engine bay is the tank to be installed?
 
Ginger55k said:
Carbon filter box removed, so under hood but outside hot engine bay. Ginger

I was going to say by the shape I would have thought it will be on the passenger side (RHD vehicles) in place of the plastic cover and paper filter for the interior air supply. Are you going to fit a small push fit filter to the air intake or not bother.

What's the size of the tank and what boost are you running, working out the size vs boost level will give you a good indication of the total WOT time it can cope with as well as the recovery time.
 
I was going to say by the shape I would have thought it will be on the passenger side (RHD vehicles) in place of the plastic cover and paper filter for the interior air supply. Are you going to fit a small push fit filter to the air intake or not bother.

What's the size of the tank and what boost are you running, working out the size vs boost level will give you a good indication of the total WOT time it can cope with as well as the recovery time.

Yes the one on the passenger side, and no not bothered about the filter.

As far as tank size no idea but its at its maximum in that location, Olly would know, regarding boost the car is totally stock, I decided to start modding from an engineers view point so its got to be cooling first.

Ginger
 
Interesting and always good to see logs.

I've just ordered the Weistec ICE Tank myself.
 
Yes the one on the passenger side, and no not bothered about the filter.

As far as tank size no idea but its at its maximum in that location, Olly would know, regarding boost the car is totally stock, I decided to start modding from an engineers view point so its got to be cooling first.

Ginger

I don't know the Torque App but take a look it should have the option to log the map sensor or at least a calculated option. As a stock car you should find somewhere between 0.7 & 0.8 BAR.

Might be worth fitting either an inline temp sensor in the return pipe or possible one in the tank so you can get an idea of the temperature of the liquid.

Only other thing I can think off is have the 2nd pump either wired so it is on all the time, another option if your car is remapped is to have it wired with the original one but have the tuner modify your map so that the IC pumps are on from start.

Looks good you will love it particularly when summer returns.
 
I don't know the Torque App but take a look it should have the option to log the map sensor or at least a calculated option. As a stock car you should find somewhere between 0.7 & 0.8 BAR.

I will have a look thanks
ginger
 
Only other thing I can think off is have the 2nd pump either wired so it is on all the time, another option if your car is remapped is to have it wired with the original one but have the tuner modify your map so that the IC pumps are on from start.

Looks good you will love it particularly when summer returns.

Think we are going to have the second pump on all the time, stage 2 has not happened yet, I will discuss wiring with olly reference the tuner option.

Ginger
 
Think we are going to have the second pump on all the time, stage 2 has not happened yet, I will discuss wiring with olly reference the tuner option.

Ginger

It does make a difference on the first hard pull. Originally I had both pumps controlled by the ECU so it only engages the first time once the SC clutch has engaged or until it see's the IAT's climbing.

I then went with 1 pump on all the time and one controlled by the ECU this alone saw my timing change by 3 deg on a 1/4 mile pull
 
Post #4 teaser.

Nobody has mentioned the photo, remember this is an Olly design :D???
 
Looking forward to fitting this finally and getting some data logged.

It seems to have take ages!
 
That's the idea Paul. Its not quite a DIY but not far off it.

Hopefully we get the same results or better as we have thought about this one a bit more. It also should be cheaper too!
 
Still no comment on post #4.

Really looking forward to final fit out.

Cheers Olly and crew.
 
Awesome project!

Will keep an eye on this thread :)
 

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