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del320 said:It's nonsense like this that gives Greenpeace a bad name and generally undermines the 'Greens' ethos....
"Making cars like this for urban use is crazy when 150,000 people are dying every year from climate change," said Greenpeace's Ben Stewart. - and how many of these good folk have choked on the exhaust of a 4x4?
"Range Rover do less (sic) miles to the gallon than the model T Ford." ...and your point is, caller?????
Until there is an attempt to curtail the proliferation of air travel, folk will jump up and down casting blame on on any soft target - stop driving 4x4s, compost your newspapers and drink your own pee...
BTW, I'm no fan of urban 4x4s - I had a smile at someone executing a 3 point turn at the end of our street just now, in a BMW X5, and - oooooh, he had to bump o-h-h s-s-s-o-o-o c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-l-l-y onto the kerb to complete this tricky manoevre![]()
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nickg said:Peter. No offence mate but you are a miserable sod!!!!
You hate high maintenance costs, prefer slow cars because you got nicked a few years ago and you seem very concerned with the environment.
So you went and got yourself an SL320 - potentially v high maint costs, 140mph top speed, not exactly frugal on petrol.......why??
Get yourself a 50cc scooter and a travelcard.
jgevers said:If you drive the ML270 hard you won't get much better than 20 mpg. I used average approx. 17mpg with a ML55 I used to drive.
Ser Demec said:From all these replies, no one has said why they bought a 4x4, or why they support their sale. The only sane answer is off road/very poor track use most of the time.
You lot c'mon! I've spent years in this space - you think I'd say something like this without being able to back it up?
Even Fifth Gear did a demo about bumper mis-match the other day...
Perhaps you would like to see some pictures of 4x4 'incidents'?
Matt
Bobby Dazzler said:Biggest reason is that it's the only car my two most treasured things ever go in, my wife and daughter,
nickg said:Peter. No offence mate but you are a miserable sod!!!!
You hate high maintenance costs, prefer slow cars because you got nicked a few years ago and you seem very concerned with the environment.
So you went and got yourself an SL320 - potentially v high maint costs, 140mph top speed, not exactly frugal on petrol.......why??
Get yourself a 50cc scooter and a travelcard.
glojo said:People might call you selfish, but that is their opinion.
Well said and to me you are looking after what means everything to you. It is your money, your choice.
Alfie said:Well said Bobby Dazzler and jgevers.
There seems once again to be a majority view on this topic that contradicts the minority who want to impose their prejudice on the rest. There have been some very good points raised (Dieter, Bobby jgevers and others) and some complete and utter testicular based words.
Last time we had this debate the spoil sports lost and it looks like its now 2 - 0
prprandall51 said:So what are your other arguments?
Philip
prprandall51 said:Duh! No cohesive arguments ............................................So what are your other arguments?
Philip
Alfie said:2 - 0
Still you pick on the middle classes. Are you jealous by chance.
prprandall51 said:Alfie, just looked at your signature. It appears that I own two 4x4s whilst you own none. Therefore, I think that makes me much better qualified to participate in this debate than you.![]()
prprandall51 said:I have examined the evidence and I am delighted to be able to inform you that I am not envious of you. Furthermore, I am not jealous of you either since I own nothing that (as far as I am aware) you covet.![]()
prprandall51 said:Philip
PS: Just edited to add the smilies - don't want us ending up round the back of the bike sheds over this![]()
Alfie said:As for selfish...you are partially correct. Lets face it, if you can drive around in a vehicle which makes you and your family feel and be safer than others, are you going to say 'Oh thats not fair, I'm being selfish. If I have an accident then I must come off at least as badly as the other driver or thats not fair' . Are you seriously suggesting that you wish for your family to be just as vulnerable as everybody else. I think not.
glojo said:I am not comfortable with the arguement though of putting my family into a 'tank' and blow everyone else. I would first of all considr convincing my partner to take an advanced driving course to teach them to be more aware, more defensive and dare I suggest a safer driver.
So I understand the arguement of buyiong what is best to protect the family, but i would very tactfully suggest that a driving course might be a more benficial investment.
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