Bristol diesel ban

[190]

There was a story from the US a couple of weeks ago, Thanksgiving Day, big holiday over there where everyone visits relatives for dinner etc. Only come evening time when everyone heads home, there were over 50 vehicles queued up at a chargeing point, all the way down the street. As it's not the same as stopping for petrol, i.e 10 minutes max, topping up an electric car maybe 30 minutes to a couple of hours, I wonder how many actually got home that night?

It's interesting to speculate how many charging points we are going to need to for universal EV ownership.
There are 32 million cars in the UK and 8000 filling stations with perhaps 8 pumps per station so that's one pump for every 500 cars.
Given the length of time it takes to charge an EV they are never going to manage with the same ratio of 1 charging point per 500 vehicles. It will have to be more like 1 for every 50. That means we will need 640,000 charging points. There are currently 8000 charging points so some way to go then.

 

[Deleted member 6183]

It's interesting to speculate how many charging points we are going to need to for universal EV ownership.
There are 32 million cars in the UK and 8000 filling stations with perhaps 8 pumps per station so that's one pump for every 500 cars.
Given the length of time it takes to charge an EV they are never going to manage with the same ratio of 1 charging point per 500 vehicles. It will have to be more like 1 for every 50. That means we will need 640,000 charging points. There are currently 8000 charging points so some way to go then.

Doesn't every single house in the UK have a charging point?

 

[190]

Doesn't every single house in the UK have a charging point?

Mine does but I'm in a small minority of people who have a garage with power and actually put their car in it so it be very convenient for me. I would use it in overwhelming preference to public charging points which are much more expensive. Lots of people don't have a garage so it will be somewhat less convenient and in some cases impractical where there is no off street parking.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

It's interesting to speculate how many charging points we are going to need to for universal EV ownership.
There are 32 million cars in the UK and 8000 filling stations with perhaps 8 pumps per station so that's one pump for every 500 cars.
Given the length of time it takes to charge an EV they are never going to manage with the same ratio of 1 charging point per 500 vehicles. It will have to be more like 1 for every 50. That means we will need 640,000 charging points. There are currently 8000 charging points so some way to go then.

They don't tell you that when talking about teh advantages of electric cars

 

[AMGeed]

Hopefully now we have a government who can govern, this lot will be on the back burner. Tell Bristol to have a word with China before taking stupid decisions like this.

The problem is local councils now have the authority to run their cities how they like.
And if they pass local laws preventing diesels from entering the city, that is that. Central government won't interfere.

Damn crazy if you ask me when China and India in particular flick the finger at any move to reduce carbon emissions and pollution.

When the shops are empty, nobody visits, and income from business rents and rates dries up they might wake up to the fact the idea is very flawed.

Anybody thinking of buying a new diesel now should have a hard think where these laws are going and the impact on even re selling an unwanted diesel.

 

[rf065]

Doesn't every single house in the UK have a charging point?

Yes, especially if you live in a high rise building. But how do you connect your Tesla?
What if you stay in the city and cannot park outside your house?

 

[Dryce]

Anybody thinking of buying a new diesel now should have a hard think where these laws are going and the impact on even re selling an unwanted diesel.

If acquiring one of these cars on a PCP or lease who cares? It's down for the likes of MB and BMW Finance arms to figure their risk appetite and prce the cars.

 

[moonloops]

Yes, especially if you live in a high rise building. But how do you connect your Tesla?
What if you stay in the city and cannot park outside your house?

Outside of Chelsea, Tesla owners will seldom be living in high rise buildings

 

[rf065]

Outside of Chelsea, Tesla owners will seldom be living in high rise buildings

Granted, but even inner cities, who can park directly outside their front door?
How many extended cables will pedestrians have to trip over before the councils ban them altogether?

 

[219]

Doesn't every single house in the UK have a charging point?

Good luck with that if you live on the 13th floor of a multi storey block

 

[219]

Mine does but I'm in a small minority of people who have a garage with power and actually put their car in it so it be very convenient for me. I would use it in overwhelming preference to public charging points which are much more expensive. Lots of people don't have a garage so it will be somewhat less convenient and in some cases impractical where there is no off street parking.

The answer to that is of course : bollards .

Quite how long it will be until charging bollards are as commonplace ( actually more so ) than lamp posts , is another matter .

 

[Deleted member 126251]

Mine does but I'm in a small minority of people who have a garage with power and actually put their car in it so it be very convenient for me. I would use it in overwhelming preference to public charging points which are much more expensive. Lots of people don't have a garage so it will be somewhat less convenient and in some cases impractical where there is no off street parking.

There are a couple of houses in our village that have outdoor charging points fitted. But they do have driveways.

 

[Deleted member 6183]

The answer to that is of course : bollards .

Quite how long it will be until charging bollards are as commonplace ( actually more so ) than lamp posts , is another matter .

We have a winner.

 

[DeltaD]

Good luck with that if you live on the 13th floor of a multi storey block

And there’s the rub! When decisions like this are reached it’s almost always arrived at by the same committee who designed the camel. They probably live and commute in a city with all forms of public transport covered, including a couple of charging points, with no thought for the folk commuting to and from rural areas.

 

[Deleted member 65149]

Outside of Chelsea, Tesla owners will seldom be living in high rise buildings

I was in Hong Kong a couple of years ago and surprised to see so many Teslas around in a city built entirely on high rise buildings.

 

[Larkone]

It's interesting to speculate how many charging points we are going to need to for universal EV ownership.
There are 32 million cars in the UK and 8000 filling stations with perhaps 8 pumps per station so that's one pump for every 500 cars.
Given the length of time it takes to charge an EV they are never going to manage with the same ratio of 1 charging point per 500 vehicles. It will have to be more like 1 for every 50. That means we will need 640,000 charging points. There are currently 8000 charging points so some way to go then.

Then there is the required infrastructure to support 640,000 charging points. Our village has overhead power lines that along our road would struggle to support two decent charging points. They cannot upgrade the overhead lines because the poles already carry two 3 phase lines and telephone so a complete new supply infrastructure would be required - an even bigger problem in cities, especially as rapid charging requirements are increasing to reduce charging times (>50kw).

 

[m80]

It was a few years back, but has happened to a lesser degree since,
the M62 (over the Pennines for you southern folk) had miles of stationary traffic due to an unexpected snowfall.
People's were stuck over night till the snow could be cleared then they drove off on their way again.

Now add to that scenario a majority of flat EV's, even the diesel generator trucks (the fututre break down service as I see it), that would take an age to charge each motor with frozen occupants, wouldn't be able to get through before the next snowfall, the following year.

An EV on our Derbyshire hills would be good for 5 - 10 minutes a charge I reckon.
Sod the Duracell bunny I say.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Doesn't every single house in the UK have a charging point?

No. Not if you live in a block of flats.

 

[Petrol Pete]

While working in Oslo a while back I saw many EV cars plugged into parking meter post chargers in the town centre overnight. Sadly the first thought that came into my head was that that would never happen in the UK due to theft or vandalism of the charge leads

 

[Bellow]

While working in Oslo a while back I saw many EV cars plugged into parking meter post chargers in the town centre overnight. Sadly the first thought that came into my head was that that would never happen in the UK due to theft or vandalism of the charge leads

Don't the cables lock to either the car or charger? If not, easily accomplished. Brave vandal that interferes with a live cable.