Bristol diesel ban

[Bellow]

Same vandal who climbs onto a greasy church roof in the pitch dark 100 ft above a graveyard to steal the lead, how about the thieves who throw metal chains up on to 1.1KV power lines to trip the main breaker in the substation then shimmy up the poles to cut the cables down ?

Hand tools are widely available that will safely cut thorough live cables..they know that.

Vandals and thieves. Not the same.

edit PS. To be fair, in the post I quoted, you did mention theft.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Vandals and thieves. Not the same.

You are correct. Vandals were running around battling the Huns and the Goths and also gave the Romans a bit of a kicking back in the day But I am sure they got up to a bit of thieving along the way. Thieves...are just thieves.

 

[Tonygw]

I hope Gretil Tongboil gets to read this.

Another spit my tea out laughing moment..

 

[219]

My main issue is that not one politician has remotely approached the issue of over population as being the primary cause for all this. Farage was closest, but that's enough mention on this thread, he's history now anyway.

The Chinese did

 

[219]

Depends.

We have rather got used to oil based fuels. The barrier to entry for any other technology has been made higher because we have adapted our lifestyles and economy over the last two or there generations.

So as an example if we had started with EVs instead of IC vehicles then they might be lighter and our usage patterns in terms of commuting and leisure would be different, public transport would have developed differently, and frieght would be substantially different.

IC vehicles might be a harder sell than would appear to be the case today.

It keeps being raised every now and then , but EV’s powered by Hydrogen fuel cells might still be a better alternative, once a decent network of refuelling stations was set up.
The technology is proven , and the user experience would be broadly similar to what we have with ICE vehicles.

Existing petrol stations could start by adding a hydrogen pump alongside petrol pumps , much in the same way as they did with LPG a couple of decades back .

While LPG never became mainstream, it has remained sufficiently popular that it hasn’t died off .

 

[219]

There might be enough tidal power around Scotland, but the rest of the UK will see none of it as it will all be sent via submarine cable to the EU when Scotland gains independence.....

Oh , we would sell it to our friends, at the right price .

 

[190]

While LPG never became mainstream, it has remained sufficiently popular that it hasn’t died off .

That's an interesting point.

Why didn't LPG become mainstream. It was cheap, clean, safe and for the cars with it installed from new it was convenient. Seems to me it beats EV's hands down. Failure for it to flourish can only have been lack of infrastructure and promotion. Have successive governments missed a trick here or were they more worried about losing duty than saving the environment.

 

[219]

That's an interesting point.

Why didn't LPG become mainstream. It was cheap, clean, safe and for the cars with it installed from new it was convenient. Seems to me it beats EV's hands down. Failure for it to flourish can only have been lack of infrastructure and promotion. Have successive governments missed a trick here or were they more worried about losing duty than saving the environment.

I don’t think it was widely taken up by manufacturers as a factory option , or at least not widely promoted ; most vehicles I’ve seen have been aftermarket conversions .
Although less fuel efficient, the lower taxation on the fuel vastly reduces running costs .

There are plenty of fuelling stations around so not at all hard to find somewhere to refuel ( plus vehicles can still revert to petrol or diesel) .

Only disadvantage is the upfront cost of the extra equipment, and space taken up by extra fuel tank .

 

[Benzmanc]

They don't tell you that when talking about teh advantages of electric cars

That's because it isn't true. The ratio of 1 charger to 500 cars is just fantasy as most EV owners charge at home. There is a chap down our street with a Model S and after a chat i discovered he has only used a public charger twice in the last year. If you drive less than 100 or so miles a day then an EV is perfectly adequate, if not then there are alternatives.

UK has more EV charging stations than petrol stations | Autocar

 

[Deleted member 126251]

That's because it isn't true. The ratio of 1 charger to 500 cars is just fantasy as most EV owners charge at home. There is a chap down our street with a Model S and after a chat i discovered he has only used a public charger twice in the last year. If you drive less than 100 or so miles a day then an EV is perfectly adequate, if not then there are alternatives.

UK has more EV charging stations than petrol stations | Autocar

Even if I only do one long trip a year in my EV - I do not want to wait 2+ hours while my car "fast charges" so that I can continue my journey. Spending time in a "highway services" with the hoi-polli is very low on my "bucket list".

 

[Benzmanc]

Even if I only do one long trip a year in my EV - I do not want to wait 2+ hours while my car "fast charges" so that I can continue my journey. Spending time in a "highway services" with the hoi-polli is very low on my "bucket list".

Where on earth are you getting 2+ hours from?? Fast chargers are being installed everywhere, the V3 Tesla supercharger can add 75 miles in 5 mins, so that's a standard range model 3 from zero in 20 mins. The BP Chargemaster 150kw being installed at all BP forecourts can deliver similar speed. The VW ID3 can charge at 100kw with a full charge from nothing in 30 mins, most cars coming online will be ready before you've finished lunch.

I do around one long trip a year, usually 2-3k miles in Europe but that won't put me off going EV in a couple of years. It's like someone buying an estate car because they have to transport a large load once a year, the rest of the year it's not needed.

 

[AMGeed]

Just out of interest, how much do fuel stations charge (see what I did there?) to recharge an almost empty EV battery to fully charged , how long would it take and what mileage would you expect before needing another charge?

 

[Benzmanc]

Tesla superchargers charge 24p/kwh costing around £9 for a 80% charge for 240ish miles on a standard M3. Home charging is the best option which is around £7 for the same amount although a lot slower it's usually done while you're asleep.

Different car charge at different rates depending on the current state of charge, a low state will result in a slow charge until the level reaches around 10% then the speed will increase, homework is the key before buying any EV, research, research, research.

Public charging calculator - how much does it cost to charge an electric car on public network?

 

[Benzmanc]

One more food for thought. Servicing. I keep using Tesla as reference as there is more data available.

A Model 3 will cost less than £200 to service for FOUR YEARS and if you don't have the recommended items done which are wipers, cabin filter, brake fluid and air con service then guess what happens to the warranty?? Nothing, it remains valid

Car Maintenance

No road tax either.......for now, i have no doubt there will be in the future

 

[artyman]

Ok so it may charge in 30 minutes, but how long do you have to wait for the previous user to finish his lunch before you can hook up, or the next in the queue, the turnaround on a car at a petrol/diesel pump is what, 5 mins, so there would need to be at least 6 times the number of charging points at 'filling stations' and that is assuming a 30 minute charge time.

 

[Benzmanc]

As more EV's are sold then more charging points are installed, you're assuming there will be six times as many ev's at any given point.

I stated earlier that most owners charge at home, lots don't even visit a public charge point at all. Tesla has introduced idle fees so if you don't move your car when it's finished your pay more, i suspect more companies will implement this too.

 

[219]

Just out of interest, how much do fuel stations charge (see what I did there?) to recharge an almost empty EV battery to fully charged , how long would it take and what mileage would you expect before needing another charge?

If you use public charge points in Scotland, they are free at point of use .
My pal charges his Tesla either in the work car park or in the public car park across the road from his house rather than use his own electricity .

 

[Deleted member 126251]

................. but that won't put me off going EV in a couple of years.........

Why not immediately?
There are still not enough chargers around and queues for those that do work plus fast charging is detrimental to the cells.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

............
My pal charges his Tesla either in the work car park or in the public car park across the road from his house rather than use his own electricity .

True Scotsman....

 

[Benzmanc]

Why not immediately?
There are still not enough chargers around and queues for those that do work plus fast charging is detrimental to the cells.

Waiting for the new generation and any faults to be ironed out and on what are you basing your observation of 'queues at chargers', have you witnessed them consistently??

I do around 1000-2000 miles a week for work (not in a car btw) and regularly stop at Keele services, i have yet to witness a queue for either the superchargers or the ecotricity chargers