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[Doodle]

Tempting as it may be, ISTR that using something that looks like a firearm, even if it isn't, to scare another person can attract a fairly stiff sentence, so is probably unwise.

It's also liable to get *you* shot by the firearms team.

There's nothing like taking a call from the police to vouch for players who forgot to/didn't de-kit when leaving site. :fail

 

[ash59fifty-uk]

It's also liable to get *you* shot by the firearms team. There's nothing like taking a call from the police to vouch for players who forgot to/didn't de-kit when leaving site. :fail

True, but to just point one at the burglars upon entry, are they likely to grass you up to the police?

Saying that if they're determined to then return, they are more likely to match the defence with their offence, and maybe bring a real gun of their own

 

[zipdip]

The problem is with most of these solutions,is people do the what if to themselves,and so do nothing,what if I have to appear in court,what if it takes so long I miss that £3000 holiday in Florida,all this puts you at a distinct disadvantage to a scroat who wants to nick your car keys and has broken into your house,I on the other hand do not care,I am retired could not care less about a court appearance and never like Florida anyway,and so my baseball bat will come into play as many times as it takes to lay the person out taking care not to get blood on the hall runner,but always remember be it knife bottle or baseball bat if you pick it up you have to use it never wave it around.

 

[flango]

You need one of these

https://www.saltsupply.com

 

[MOR8A]

You need one of these

https://www.saltsupply.com

Legal in the UK? I'm guessing not?

 

[flango]

Legal in the UK? I'm guessing not?

Non lethal so not sure what firearms category it would fall into? Pepper spray is legal so the gun is only the propellant. Will get the firearms boys take on this as that might be a nice Christmas prezzie

 

[camerafodder]

Flango I'm afraid pepper spray is not legal in the uk and comes under the classification of a section 5 firearm. Shame as I've seen several 'delivery' systems like the one in your link and they are very good. Ridiculous situation. The only legal spray is a harmless dye FFS!

These are another popular non-lethal defense solution abroad http://jpxpeppergun.net/

 

[flango]

Flango I'm afraid pepper spray is not legal in the uk and comes under the classification of a section 5 firearm. Shame as I've seen several 'delivery' systems like the one in your link and they are very good. Ridiculous situation. The only legal spray is a harmless dye FFS!

What about the pepper spray they sell on university campus shops and the like as anti rape devices they are openly sold. I thought it was only military/police strength like MACE that contains a noxious gas that was firearms classified? If it doesn't turn into a gas or is a gel then its perfectly legal lots of adverts for such and openly sold as above.

Just read section 5 and you quite right the link would be illegal but under section 5 would the below be? is a water pistol a weapon?

Failing that dilute acid or sodium hypochloride solution in a water pistol will debilitate any attacker long enough for you to take action.

 

[camerafodder]

My understanding is that only the marker gel/dye is legal in the UK. Spraying anything else such as dilute acid/alk would be illegal. So its not just the delivery system, its what you are spraying that is illegal. I can't comment on the stuff for sale to students as I've never seen it but if its anything other than noisy or scary dye then its illegal to use/carry.

Crazy I know.

 

[kid-jensen]

Nice though it is to see all these suggestions, you still have the problem of a scumbag who's still alive at the end. And proobably even more determined to get even..... There's only one solution that holds water, and it gets you a new patio as well..

Win, win!

 

[camerafodder]

Indeed Paul!

But in most urban situations pepper spray would buy enough time for law enforcement to arrive, its very debilitating and there is always the option for 're-application'.

 

[Adrian5405]

I work with a very nice guy who has had a varied life, ex SAS, security for royal family knows vertualy every martial arts going etc.
He once told me if someone breaks into your house you can obviously use reasonable force to protect yourself.
He said he would have no issues battering someone with a baseball bat providing you haven't gone out of your way to do it.
in other words, if the bat was in the hallway and you just grabbed it to defend yourself then that's no problem, but if you said, can you just wait there Mr burglar whilst I go to the garage to get the baseball bat to beat you with then that's a different story.
How you prove where the bat was ive no idea but an interesting thought.

 

[Scott_F]

I work with a very nice guy who has had a varied life, ex SAS, security for royal family knows vertualy every martial arts going etc.

Mr W. Mitty Esq. ?

 

[Doodle]

True, but to just point one at the burglars upon entry, are they likely to grass you up to the police?(

Yes, if they think it'll help them get away with it. Under the circumstances the police are likely to become far more interested in why you pointed a gun (real or replica) at him than why he was breaking into your house. Firearms offences trump casual B&E.

 

[camerafodder]

There have been several cases in recent years where burglars have been shot with legally held firearms and these actions have been upheld in court. The courts now view the use of 'reasonable force' very differently (more realistically) to the way the used to.

 

[Doodle]

Most of which have had extenuating circumstances - police admitting to being understaffed and failing to attend, aggravated burglary etc.

The salient question being, is it worth the hassle of court proceedings and a potential jail sentence? There are easier/better things to defend oneself with that don't attract the same attention.

 

[camerafodder]

Most of which have had extenuating circumstances - police admitting to being understaffed and failing to attend, aggravated burglary etc.

The salient question being, is it worth the hassle of court proceedings and a potential jail sentence? There are easier/better things to defend oneself with that don't attract the same attention.

Well at the end of the day that is a personal choice. If you defend yourself against a burglar and hurt them then you'll be in court anyway. The salient point is that the court now properly considers the heat of the moment rather than a paper shuffling exercise 6 months after the event. Police are never going to attend such a situation in good time because in almost every case they will be too late so every situation will have extenuating circumstances.

At the very least if you could disable an intruder with pepper spray that would give the police time to arrive and deal with the perpetrator?

 

[flango]

I work with a very nice guy who has had a varied life, ex SAS, security for royal family knows vertualy every martial arts going etc.
He once told me if someone breaks into your house you can obviously use reasonable force to protect yourself.
He said he would have no issues battering someone with a baseball bat providing you haven't gone out of your way to do it.
in other words, if the bat was in the hallway and you just grabbed it to defend yourself then that's no problem, but if you said, can you just wait there Mr burglar whilst I go to the garage to get the baseball bat to beat you with then that's a different story.
How you prove where the bat was ive no idea but an interesting thought.

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[BIG Sean]

On a more practical note , some sort of booby trap in the car , allowing them to go maybe half a mile before it cuts out , locks the doors trapping them inside and perhaps releasing some sort of knockout gas to incapacitate them until the police arrive , might work .

If the above is too fanciful , fit a tracker , hand over the keys if they come back , then phone the police the minute they're gone .

Most importantly , just give them the car , knowing they won't get far with it , and without risk to you and yours .

Trunk monkey required

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featu...xADsZ9YforxtjWODy3Kz_8JjLH-Nxp7&v=AidAXgq9dWc