C63 vs rs7

[Lit91]

Would certainly have to disagree with that, just as many Mb's around here as Audi's and there are generally more faults with the Audi's for sure.

Have a look at this.

The UK car market winners and losers of 2014 | Autocar

I've compiled the everyday VAG's:

Audi, Seat, Skoda & VW: 20.43%
Mercedes-Benz: 5.05%

I'd be using this info to understand trends if I was in your trade...

 

[V8andTurbos]

I feel your question is best directed at our old friend, Google. There are plenty of articles out there that explain how manufacturers are constantly striving to engineer more efficient components... Which only leads one to draw the following conclusion... Either the C63 is running standard power, the 'race' didn't happen at all or the RS7 wasn't trying to race the OP.

I know you love your figures, so here are some for your enjoyment:

1- The standard RS7 with 15% drivetrain loss would be kicking out circa 246bhp/tonne

2- The C63 at 500bhp with 10% drivetrain loss would be kicking out circa 262bhp/tonne. However, at the manufacturer stated 451bhp, the car would be kicking out circa 237bhp/tonne. Which would sound like a more convincing explanation to the outcome of the 'race'.

Why was the C63 in this instance behind the said RS7? One could safely say that based on the figures above, the C63 should be able to pull away from the RS7... Why was that not the case?

From your initial comment of "the RS7 was hardly trying, those things are quick" to seeing cars go in reverse... Respectfully, I don't really value your opinion, on that basis.

 

[merc85]

Have a look at this.

The UK car market winners and losers of 2014 | Autocar

I've compiled the everyday VAG's:

Audi, Seat, Skoda & VW: 20.43%
Mercedes-Benz: 5.05%

I'd be using this info to understand trends if I was in your trade...

You would be very suprised Just how different the market is even only 20 miles up the road, The last company i worked for made that same mistake copying stock levels / pareto's from other branches to a newly aquired one and it was the main factor in the business for failing.

You should be glad your not in this trade lol

 

[V8andTurbos]

As for VAGS, I own one myself and have owned a few in the past. Current one is a MK5 Golf GTI, which I've had for around 4.5 years. Prob one of my favourite cars and been reliable thus far...

In regards to 0-60 times RS audi will trump an AMG Merc almost every time due to traction. In gear at rolling speeds is diff imo. My car has around 500 bhp, running michelin pilot super sports all round and Also had quaife fitted but still struggles for traction so can only imagine what a 600+ bhp rwd merc would feel like

 

[MoAMG]

From your initial comment of "the RS7 was hardly trying, those things are quick" to seeing cars go in reverse... Respectfully, I don't really value your opinion on that basis.

Oh the hypocrisy... This is coming from the one who was caught racing on a public road... You my friend are part of the 1% who give C63 drivers a bad name!

 

[Lit91]

You would be very suprised Just how different the market is even only 20 miles up the road, The last company i worked for made that same mistake copying stock levels / pareto's from other branches to a newly aquired one and it was the main factor in the business for failing.

You should be glad your not in this trade lol

You've just highlighted my point. The area you trade in could have an even larger ratio of VAG than listed in that research, as an industry professional, this is something that you should know...

IMO anyway

 

[MoAMG]

You would be very suprised Just how different the market is even only 20 miles up the road, The last company i worked for made that same mistake copying stock levels / pareto's from other branches to a newly aquired one and it was the main factor in the business for failing. You should be glad your not in this trade lol

Well perhaps your business is located in a VAG dominant area? Doesn't mean the rest of the UK will follow the same trend.

Sorry Litcan, just seen your post, great minds think alike...

 

[merc85]

Well perhaps your business is located in a VAG dominant area? Doesn't mean the rest of the UK will follow the same trend.

Sorry Litcan, just seen your post, great minds think alike...

maybe? Quite correct sir

But given the choice of vehicle id have a Mb over any Vag they simply do nothing for me.

Just my opinion obviously

 

[Deleted member 37751]

You couldn't be further from the truth! I love my new CLS with all its flaws.

Got to be honest, it certainly doesn't sound that way.

However, I do prefer to acknowledge when there are superior cars/technology out there rather than cloud my brain with biased delusions...

I don't recall ever saying that the RS7 isn't a great car, it is, I just hear the same arguments about how much 'better' 4 wheel drive is in powerful cars and once the 'traction off the line' debate has gone, they haven't got a great deal going for them in my opinion.

Besides, bearing in mind that Supras are not 4WD (the most powerful vehicle I've owned), I'm slightly baffled by the logic used to draw up such a conclusion when most my high end cars have been RWD...

I'm slightly baffled by you owning a Supra with over 1000bhp when you say any rear wheel drive car with over 550bhp is "uncontrollably frightening" when I know from my own experience that is simply not the case.

 

[Lit91]

maybe? Quite correct sir

But given the choice of vehicle id have a Mb over any Vag they simply do nothing for me.

Just my opinion obviously

So the point on VAG reliability you've made previously is totally irrelevant now?

Why didn't you just say what you've said now in the first place? instead of making questionable accusations?

Sorry, I just don't get it.

All in my opinion of course.

 

[merc85]

i said maybe? is that 100% ?

And you are very much entilted to it

 

[Deleted member 37751]

Yes! Are engines more efficient? Are cars safer? Technology usually advances for the better not for the worse!

You keep using this 'technology' point without any sort of real evidence.

You can't engineer out weight and friction which a four wheel drive system has more of than a rear wheel drive.

 

[V8andTurbos]

We all do silly things such as humbling top end German metal in C63's

On a serious note though, think there's a much higher percentage than 1% who give C63's bad name but that doesnt make it ok. I'm still young (ish), live and learn as they say...

 

[MoAMG]

Got to be honest, it certainly doesn't sound that way. I don't recall ever saying that the RS7 isn't a great car, it is, I just hear the same arguments about how much 'better' 4 wheel drive is in powerful cars and once the 'traction off the line' debate has gone, they haven't got a great deal going for them in my opinion. I'm slightly baffled by you owning a Supra with over 1000bhp when you say any rear wheel drive car with over 550bhp is "uncontrollably frightening" when I know from my own experience that is simply not the case.

Well when you lose traction in 4th, it's quite a humbling experience! But you know what they say, the closer you are to death, the more fun you actually have and that's the reason why I love AMG.

 

[MoAMG]

We all do silly things such as humbling top end German metal in C63's On a serious note though, think there's a much higher percentage than 1% who give C63's bad name but that doesnt make it ok. I'm still young (ish), live and learn as they say...

I'm probably 'younger' than you...

 

[V8andTurbos]

Probably not mentally though :-(

 

[MoAMG]

Probably not mentally though :-(

Oh believe me, I do have my moments. We all do, just not constantly!

 

[John]

I don't agree that anything over 550BHP is "uncontrollably frightening".

Mine is perfectly controllable, without an LSD, and I've driven it round a track with a professional racing driver to know!

Very interesting read as I was a big Audi fan s few
years ago now gone AMG , but just to add I was
following a Seat Leon who was going uncomfortably slow so I was about to overtake
when he then accelerated away. I opened the
taps on the cls55 but he was still pulling away .
Now would I be quicker after say 100mph I don't
Know but it left me feeling bewildered as I was
In a 500hp super saloon and his looked like it was worth 3k max.!!!

I had something very similar.

Previously, my car was running 510BHP and a couple of years ago I was sat at some lights next to a 2009 Leon Cupra R thing, with centre exhaust.

Didn't give it much welly off the lights until I realised the Leon was pulling away.

By the time I realised and started nailing it, I nailed it but I just could not make any more ground than the Leon.

Had I known and given it a proper start, things would probably have been very different!

Indeed now running at 580 > 600, a few months back I saw it again and tried to goad it into a TLGP but he/she wouldn't play ball.

Why? Who knows.

It just goes to show though that anything can be fast.

 

[Grovsie31]

You keep using this 'technology' point without any sort of real evidence.

You can't engineer out weight and friction which a four wheel drive system has more of than a rear wheel drive.

Its obvious. Cars are much safer now so they obviously don't loose as much power through 4wd. LOL.

 

[MoAMG]

I don't agree that anything over 550BHP is "uncontrollably frightening". Mine is perfectly controllable, without an LSD, and I've driven it round a track with a professional racing driver to know! I had something very similar. Previously, my car was running 510BHP and a couple of years ago I was sat at some lights next to a 2009 Leon Cupra R thing, with centre exhaust. Didn't give it much welly off the lights until I realised the Leon was pulling away. By the time I realised and started nailing it, I nailed it but I just could not make any more ground than the Leon. Had I known and given it a proper start, things would probably have been very different! Indeed now running at 580 > 600, a few months back I saw it again and tried to goad it into a TLGP but he/she wouldn't play ball. Why? Who knows. It just goes to show though that anything can be fast.

Would you feel more comfortable going round an apex at full blast in a RWD or a 4WD?

Perhaps he/she/it doesn't feel that you're much competition based on the previous outcome?