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Grovsie31 said:
Its obvious. Cars are much safer now so they obviously don't loose as much power through 4wd. :wallbash: LOL.
Very smart, well done, how long did it take you to come up with that? :doh:
 
I think it's time to break out the popcorn:D
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I don't agree that anything over 550BHP is "uncontrollably frightening".

Mine is perfectly controllable, without an LSD, and I've driven it round a track with a professional racing driver to know!



I had something very similar.

Previously, my car was running 510BHP and a couple of years ago I was sat at some lights next to a 2009 Leon Cupra R thing, with centre exhaust.

Didn't give it much welly off the lights until I realised the Leon was pulling away.

By the time I realised and started nailing it, I nailed it but I just could not make any more ground than the Leon.

Had I known and given it a proper start, things would probably have been very different!

Indeed now running at 580 > 600, a few months back I saw it again and tried to goad it into a TLGP but he/she wouldn't play ball.

Why? Who knows.

It just goes to show though that anything can be fast.

Those Cupras are quick!

With a few mods and some mapping they produce 360 bhp + with big torque. My old edition 30 golf GTI had the same engine with just 310 bhp and felt very quick to I can imagine a tuned one giving some higher powered cars some trouble
 
Would you feel more comfortable going round an apex at full blast in a RWD or a 4WD?

If you're taking an apex "comfortably", you ain't at "full blast". ;)
 
Yaaaaas !!!!!

I can start talking about my super fast Carrera 2/4 eating 380 bhp Golf Ed 30 again !!!!
 
Only at the Yadgar :thumb:
Need to get a night sorted. My friend Brian is the bodyshop manager at Mitchell Inglis will maybe join us. He can tell us about all the top end heavy metal that comes in for repair.
 
Would you feel more comfortable going round an apex at full blast in a RWD or a 4WD?

Doesn't bother me either way.

Touring car drivers run RWD cars all the time.

They are perfectly controllable if you know what you are doing.

Perhaps he/she/it doesn't feel that you're much competition based on the previous outcome?

Or they're chicken sh*ts and were scared of defeat more likely...

Lol. :D

If I know I have a quicker car, and an apparently slower car keeps trying, I will keep showing them a clean pair of rear tyres.

I had it 3 times with a Polo GTI thing - which did quite well actually.
 
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JohnEBoy said:
Doesn't bother me either way. Touring car drivers run RWD cars all the time. They are perfectly controllable if you know what you are doing. Or they're chicken sh*ts and were scared of defeat more likely... Lol. :D If I know I have a quicker car, and an apparently slower car keeps trying, I will keep showing them a clean pair of rear tyres. I had it 3 times with a Polo GTI thing - which did quite well actually.

Oh believe you me, I'd be dead if I didn't know what I was doing with 1200 furiously galloping stallions under my right foot!

Remind me, when was the last time MB won a touring championship? Ah... Was I even born then? On the other hand, VAG have been absolutely decimating all competition in Le Mans for the past 15 years!!!

When I beat someone in a race, I don't feel like wasting any more fuel on them tbh... This reminds me of the time I had a run with a modded CLS55 in the supra, I beat him fair and square yet he kept trying it on for several laps, I just carried on doing what I was doing because he simply wasn't worth it. When the race came to an end, he claimed that he could "take me" if we had another "run", I kindly nodded my head, agreed and jumped back in my car and drove home. In this instance, I didn't have anything to prove. So why risk life, limb and car for just another run when the outcome was all but guaranteed? I find that boring if I'm honest. Besides, with V-Power at an all time high at the time, I really couldn't be bothered with what he had to say!
 
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Remind me, when was the last time MB won a touring championship? Ah... Was I even born then? On the other hand, VAG have been absolutely decimating all competition in Le Mans for the past 15 years!!!

Mercedes aren't too bad at that lesser known motoring championship though, can't remember its name...

Think it begins with the letter F? Think they might be rear wheel drive too?
 
SPX said:
Mercedes aren't too bad at that lesser known motoring championship though, can't remember its name... Think it begins with the letter F? Think they might be rear wheel drive too?
MB only succeed at F1 because they literally go out and buy the championship! They do that by signing the biggest talent in the game. Most recently, Lewis Hamilton! Besides, if Audi participated in the tournament, we all know what would happen... ;)
 
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SPX said:
They'd finish last with their 4wd's?
Haha very funny. Not all Audis are 4WD you know!
 
Oh believe you me, I'd be dead if I didn't know what I was doing with 1200 furiously galloping stallions under my right foot!

That's because you have taken a car, with a chassis designed for 326BHP, and have quadrupled the power.

My car is designed to run with 476BHP and I run it at 600BHP - a mere 25% increase - which is why I have no issues, and you did.

Remind me, when was the last time MB won a touring championship? Ah... Was I even born then? On the other hand, VAG have been absolutely decimating all competition in Le Mans for the past 15 years!!!

I've no idea, I don't follow the manufacturers in any motorsport, and I only watch touring cars now and again.

My point was, there is nothing wrong with RWD in the hands a of a good driver.

When I beat someone in a race, I don't feel like wasting any more fuel on them tbh...

Different strokes...

I would just think you had lost your kahunas.

The examples are different though - I am talking one meet on the road versus a second meet - where in which time things can change, which indeed they did.

In your example, nothing will have changed so the outcome will obviously be the same assuming everything stays equal.

With the Polo in my example, I thoroughly enjoyed disappearing on the bends and straights - which is the point of driving if you enjoy it...
 
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That's because you have taken a car, with a chassis designed for 326BHP, and have quadrupled the power. My car is designed to run with 476BHP and I run it at 600BHP - a mere 25% increase - which is why I have no issues, and you did. I've no idea, I don't follow the manufacturers in any motorsport, and I only watch touring cars now and again. My point was, there is nothing wrong with RWD in the hands a of a good driver. Different strokes... I would just think you had lost your kahunas. The examples are different though - I am talking one meet on the road versus a second meet - where in which time things can change, which indeed they did. In your example, nothing will have changed so the outcome will obviously be the same assuming everything stays equal. With the Polo in my example, I thoroughly enjoyed disappearing on the bends and straights - which is the point of driving if you enjoy it...
To a certain extent I agree (and not just because I'm ill), driving a RWD is fun. No doubting that. I just don't think it's the fastest and most efficient means to deliver the power from the engine to the tarmac - which has been my point all along.

With that said, one thing you must bear in mind, the 2JZ platform was way over-engineered for its time. I.e. The chassis, including the engine and (manual) gearbox were tested at over 800bhp with similar torque figures. That's why the 2JZ Supra engine can safely handle 800bhp on the stock bottom end! There are people in the USA and UAE running circa 2000bhp out of forged Supra engines and STANDARD manual gearboxes. I'm actual yet to see one fail - but then again, it's built by GETRAG and they certainly know what they're doing!

Let's not forget, I also had a tuned E55, so I know exactly how naughty the tail end can get!!
 
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I was under the impression all top line motor sports vehicles were RWD be it F1,Drag racing,
GT car's surely if there was a faster option it would now be in use?

Tony.
 
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