C63 vs rs7

[Deleted member 37751]

Well if you consider the Ariel Aton to be a "car", please go ahead and indulge yourself in those lists.

Well it ain't a packet of peanuts is it?

 

[developer]

I've really enjoyed this thread .

Just lobbing this in from CAR Magazine.

I do hope the W213 gets 4matic in the UK...

Together with the four-wheel drive system, the E63 S 4MATIC will smash through the 0-62mph sprint in just 3.6 seconds. Suddenly the new RS6 Avant’s 3.9sec time looks a little tardy.

 

[MoAMG]

Well it ain't a packet of peanuts is it?

Well... That's subjective...

 

[MoAMG]

I've really enjoyed this thread . Just lobbing this in from CAR Magazine. I do hope the W213 gets 4matic in the UK... Together with the four-wheel drive system, the E63 S 4MATIC will smash through the 0-62mph sprint in just 3.6 seconds. Suddenly the new RS6 Avant’s 3.9sec time looks a little tardy.

I have a feeling you'll enjoy any thread that I'm a part of... Haha

 

[brucemillar]

I've really enjoyed this thread .

Just lobbing this in from CAR Magazine.

I do hope the W213 gets 4matic in the UK...

Together with the four-wheel drive system, the E63 S 4MATIC will smash through the 0-62mph sprint in just 3.6 seconds. Suddenly the new RS6 Avant’s 3.9sec time looks a little tardy.

Well John they missed the boat. My 300TE 4Matic Estate is back on the road shortly. Currently finalising her restoration in Wright Tec. Pace & Grace combined one very Town & Country lump of metal.

 

[Lit91]

Well if you consider the Ariel Aton to be a "car", please go ahead and indulge yourself in those lists.

Its like comparing a super bike to a 4x4, this thing isn't a car in my eyes...

100% agreed with you on this MoAMG

 

[Deleted member 37751]

Its like comparing a super bike to a 4x4, this thing isn't a car in my eyes...

What about the rest of the top 20? RWD number 20 is 2.9 seconds whereas AWD number 20 is 3.3 seconds.

The RWD could finish, make a sandwich and cup of tea, eat and drink them, then wait for the AWD to cross the line.

 

[John]

Correction:

My point was that anything over 550BHP with RWD is "uncontrollably frightening" is not the case.

What is is taking a car well beyond the power it was designed to run.

It certainly wasn't a nightmare, it was ridiculously fun to drive actually, especially in the dry.

But earlier, you stated what I quoted above.

Now you are stating the Supra was ridiculously fun?

Moving on to your second point, I may have to disagree with you on that, the car was running the most powerful ECU around - The Syvecs S6 (which is actually used by several professional racing teams around the globe - The fastest GTR in the world even has one!) the unit also provided the most sophisticated traction control system that I've ever seen. So in terms of technology, it was packed with the latest kit. Yet it was still a handful to drive and something tells me this wouldn't have been the case if the Supra was 4WD.

That's only the ECU. What about suspension setup and the chassis?

 

[MoAMG]

Correction: But earlier, you stated what I quoted above. Now you are stating the Supra was ridiculously fun? That's only the ECU. What about suspension setup and the chassis?

Let me elaborate, that's correct - anything over 550bhp in a RWD, that doesn't weigh as much as small cottage, is frightening. But if you remember correctly, I also stated that the closer you are to death, the more fun you have!

The Supra was, of course, running the top of the range ECU controlled adaptive suspension set up. The chassis was good for well over the 1200bhp mark. I think you are slightly underestimating the quality of the end product here, that Supra was built for the track and was able to humble even the most exotic cars with ease.

 

[MoAMG]

Well when you lose traction in 4th, it's quite a humbling experience! But you know what they say, the closer you are to death, the more fun you actually have and that's the reason why I love AMG.

See quote above.

 

[Lit91]

What about the rest of the top 20? RWD number 20 is 2.9 seconds whereas AWD number 20 is 3.3 seconds.

The RWD could finish, make a sandwich and cup of tea, eat and drink them, then wait for the AWD to cross the line.

What if there are more RWD cars than AWD cars in general?

The AWD have only recently started picking up in the performance category... pretty sure Porsche have only adapted the AWD system in their 911's not that long ago...

Would be interesting to see how the data highlighted changes within the next ten years!

You can see where it's heading, just stop resisting :bannana:

 

[Deleted member 37751]

What if there are more RWD cars than AWD cars in general?

You and your new friend have been going on about how awesome and superior AWD is in performance cars as opposed to RWD such as 0-60's etc when in actual fact the superior misters choice of rear wheel drive beats AWD at the only Top Trump you thought you had...

I was also going to mention about tyre choice actually being the most decisive aspect affecting grip and traction but this thread has been that much fun, I've not needed to!

 

[Lit91]

What about the rest of the top 20? RWD number 20 is 2.9 seconds whereas AWD number 20 is 3.3 seconds.

The RWD could finish, make a sandwich and cup of tea, eat and drink them, then wait for the AWD to cross the line.

You and your new friend have been going on about how awesome and superior AWD is in performance cars as opposed to RWD such as 0-60's etc when in actual fact the superior misters choice of rear wheel drive beats AWD at the only Top Trump you thought you had...

I was also going to mention about tyre choice actually being the most decisive aspect affecting grip and traction but this thread has been that much fun, I've not needed to!

So in how many conditions would you say you'll be able to get close to those figures in real life in RWD without having traction issues?

But of course, there's nothing better in the world than an AMG Mercedes and RWD...

 

[Deleted member 37751]

But of course, there's nothing better in the world than an AMG Mercedes and RWD...

Took you a while, but you got there in the end, that's the main thing.

 

[MoAMG]

So in how many conditions would you say you'll be able to get close to those figures in real life in RWD without having traction issues? But of course, there's nothing better in the world than an AMG Mercedes and RWD...

Agreed. Big power RWDs never live up to their "perfect conditions" claims; however, on the other hand, 4WDs tend to perform better than quoted by the manufacturer. Take my RS7 as a prime example.

 

[AMGeed]

Mo. Not sure I understand why you joined this thread
You have just bought a CLS63AMG, and now you spend the next 1000 pages telling us how much better a RS7 and practically every other 4wd car is better than an AMG.
What is the point unless you are trolling?

I'm sure you'd be so much happier on an Audi forum bashing Audis 'cos that is just what you are doing here with Merc's.

 

[MoAMG]

Mo. Not sure I understand why you joined this thread You have just bought a CLS63AMG, and now you spend the next 1000 pages telling us how much better a RS7 and practically every other 4wd car is better than an AMG. What is the point unless you are trolling? I'm sure you'd be so much happier on an Audi forum bashing Audis 'cos that is just what you are doing here with Merc's.

I apologise for obviously striking a nerve here. I wasn't aware that I should be turning a blind eye to the achievements of other manufacturers just because I've bought a Mercedes. that's rather delusional if you ask me...

 

[Peter DLM]

Having followed this thread with interest and generally siding with Lee, my next car will hopefully be an E63 4Matic.

 

[Lit91]

I've never seen such a bias opinion on manufacturer forums regarding other brands/manufacturers..

What's wrong with appreciating a different brand or manufacturer??

Feels like the UKIP of car enthusiasts, anything not MB related is foreign and doesn't belong here by the looks of things.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

my next car will hopefully be an E63 4Matic.

Great choice Pete, 4matic is the future.