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Car window smashed...

DolphiN Tech said:
Of course, this assumes that the knife in question is completely different to the ones you own...

It was a flick knife that he pulled on me. Interetsing point that you made and if the matter is taken further then I will use this argument too. The Legal Representative that I was given was one of theirs and was useless as I was unable to get hold of our Soliciotor but at the time felt that I did not need one as I had not done anything wring and had a witness.
 
Flash said:
Looking back now I wish that I did not bother chasing him or calling the Police but people like that need to be locked up and are dangerous to society. All this aggravation now for nothing.

Glad you are OK mate

IMHO, you did the right thing calling the police. unfortunately they didn't :(
Is this piece of pond life getting charged for what he has done to your property, or for his assault on you etc?
I hope all works out as it shod do and Justice prevails in the end

Good luck

have some rep for your bravery :bannana:
 
Good man stand up to them, I honestly believe they have forgotten their role in society. Whatever you do not take a caution if offered to you.

I have an old man who comes in our bar ever night who is being terrorised by drug addicts who live next door to him (this is why he comes in to get away from them and he stays really late). Do you know whet the police do f"£k all, I have spoke to the police with him in the day at his home. They acknowledged that the people living next door are known drug addicts and petty criminals and yet they say there is nothing they can do. I suggested that they call round each and every night to harass them in the some way they they do to this 80 odd year old. I got told they have rights to. It makes me truly want to cry. I hate this country and its liberal ways and can not wait to see the back of it. I hope some of the police who read this forum read this thread and just maybe realize just how disgusted we are in you now.

Look on the bright side at least you weren't running to catch a train.
 
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jimti said:
Is this piece of pond life getting charged for what he has done to your property, or for his assault on you etc?

The b@stard admitted to smashing the car's window and has been charged with that BUT said that I "...threatened to kill him..." with the knife that the "he" produced on me and he then produced his screw driver in self defense:rolleyes: . He also said that I threatened him that if he did not pay me for the damage to the glass/car then I was going to knife him and that my g/f was egging me on... :rolleyes: When i have to go to answer bail they should have reached a decison on who is going to get charged with what. The whole thing is just a joke.
 
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zooman said:
Whatever you do not take a caution if offered to you.

Dont worry mate - I have not done anythin wrong and will NOT accept any Caution what so ever.
 
1. First off did they arrest the suspect for criminal damage to your father's car?

2. Was this gentleman injured when he broke the window?

3. If the answer to (2) is Yes did they carry out an examination of the car (Finger prints or DNA)

4.. Any idea why this was done?

5. If the answer to 1. is no??? (That would be unbelieveable) Then you are perfectly entitled to take out a private prosecution.

6. The knife should contain evidence of ownership even if the person was wearing gloves. When they open the blade they should be finger prints etc.

7. Have you asked for compensation forms for damage done to your fathers car?

8. Do NOT let them bully you, make sure your allegations are listened to and investigated.

9. There are always two sides to every coin. The Police are not usually privy to the actual incident. If you and your girl friend act in a civil, polite manner, then I would demand (in the nicest possible way) to be treated in exactly the same manner. The Police should listen to both sides, then very quickly establish as best they can the most plausible explanation. Namely who lives where? who owned the car? was the car window broken? was it fresh damage? and then the picture becomes clearer.

10. If you were 'excitable' then perhaps it might be excusable to detain you whilst the facts were established, but from what you have said, it does not need Sherlock Holmes to investigate this. The alleged assault might be a different issue, and you really need an independant witness just to make your case water tight!! Please don't misinterpret that. Your girlfriend can, and has made a statement, but were there any neighbours looking through their curtains?

I1. If htey have charged, or bailed you then I would get professional advice as quickly as possible, then consider the Daily Mail approach.

I am NOT in any shape, form or fashion condoning the actions of the so called Police, your car was damaged, you see someone run off and you attempted to carry out a citizens arrest. What happened during that attempted arrest is open to dispute, BUT that is incidental to what caused it. The assault would not have happened if hte criminal damage had not occured. (Just my two penarth)

John
 
Without going into to much detail my wife said that he the criminal has done the intelligent (she did not mean this is a nice way) thing by accusing you of having the knife, because of difference it will make to what he can be charged with.

I have some very interesting things to tell you, I will do so when I get home from work shortly.
 
zooman said:
Without going into to much detail my wife said that he the criminal has done the intelligent (she did not mean this is a nice way) thing by accusing you of having the knife, because of difference it will make to what he can be charged with.

I have some very interesting things to tell you, I will do so when I get home from work shortly.

Thanks Zooman - Your a Gent.

Glojo: His admitted to breaking into the car. I was calm when Police arrived and my g/f was in tears and very shocked.

Its been recorded that he was wearing gloves when arested. Everything is now lying on the forensic results of the knife. If the CPS have any sense they would advise the Police to drop this BUT our Legal Judicial System is a joke and anything can happen. I'm going to see our Solicotor tomorrow. From what I had brifely told him he said that he would be surprised if any charges were to brought/stick as still his word against mine and I have my g/f as a witness. The forensic tests on the knife will be very critcial. They did take his clothing off him and have mine too after I insisted that they did this. The knife came out of his pocket so should have the fibres from his troussers on it at least in additon to the screw driver.
 
glad you are ok mate - thats the main thing - keep us informed and if we can help with any supportive comments or ideas we will :mad:
 
Flash said:
The knife came out of his pocket so should have the fibres from his troussers on it at least in additon to the screw driver.

:D You can see where I was coming from.

Just make sure you tell the complete truth. It would be perfectly normal for anyone to be miffed that there car window had been smashed, then they were attacked.

If you try to be whiter than white it will be only raise suspicion, especially if someone heard what happened.

I have stood in a court of law and readily admitted to trying to kill someone... Not nice and not very pleasant, but it was the right thing for me to do, and also the right thing to say. I was in the right and there were numerous witnesses that had seen the incident. I merely used the minimum amount of force necessary to preserve my life and others!!!

Incidentally I was merely a witness in the court.
John
 
Sorry to hear of this incident Flash.

It seems incredible that the current state of law/Policing supports the criminal, not the victim.

I noticed Zoomans last comment and agree the criminal has been pretty clever. It's a standard tactic nowadays to accuse the poor victim.

All the best.
 
I think you all need to take a step back and think about this before you all go off on another bash the Police rant.

The Officers who turned up weren't there when this incident happened. All they have to go off is what they are told. They have two versions of events from this one incident. One which is from the criminal and the other from Flash backed up by his other half.

Now we all know Flash from here or personally and would always take his word about what happened. The attending Officers don't have this advantage and are dealing with this matter correctly. It MUST be investigated fully.

As others have said the 'evidence' will be presented to the CPS who will then have to make a decision on whether or not charges are to be brought. This hopefully will be an end to it.

It does happen that people catch offenders stealing or damaging their property and go off on one and really go to town on the offender. Now however much we may feel that this is an acceptable course of action it is not. I am NOT suggesting this has happened here.

I appreciate how the feelings of wrongdoing on the part of the Police have come about here but this is the way things must be done.
 
Shocked about the situation mate, but hardly surprised about the outcome so far. :-( Good luck.
 
Flash said:
I borrowed my Dad's W220 yesterday and left it parked on my private driveway lats night.

At about 1.15AM this morning I heard the alarm sound and saw the idiot running away from the car. I could quite clearly see that the drivers side window had been smashed. I decided to give chase and was still in my jeans/t shirt at the time as I was watching a DVD downstairs with my girl friend.

I managed to catch the bastard and a fight broke out and he pulled out a knife on me and I got it out of his hand and threw it into someone's garden so that he could not use it on me and after that I got the better of him. He then pulls out a screw driver and tried to stab it into my heart/chest area but I managed to defend myself and "really" went for him and pinned him down till Police arrived (my girl friend called them from her mobile as she came running out shortly after I gave chase). His been arrested BUT has said that I pulled the knife put on him and the Police are being "sympathetic" towards him as he also has alot marks on his face!!! I'm lucky that I did not get hurt myself/or even got killed and that my girl frined was there who has given a statement supporting me and what actually happned :) However, I have been relased upon bail pending further enquires... :rolleyes:

Just be carfeul guys if something like this was to happen to yourselves...


Sorry to hear your news; I guess most of us have had cars broken into and the desire to meter out a little justice on the thieving Ratboys is sometimes hard to resist. However I personally think you were wrong to attempt to pursue / apprehend the scumbag, and I'll try to explain why.

In 2001, I was on the motorway heading for home and needed fuel for my car. It was pretty late (3am on a Sunday morning) and the roads were fairly quiet. I drove for twenty or so miles with the fuel light on and pulled into the first services I came to.

At the pumps, I was the only customer and I parked up close to the kiosk to avoid arousing any suspicion that I might do a runner without paying. The pump clicked on and I started filling up the car.

Across the service road there was a grass embankment and just out of sight I could hear a few people swearing and cursing, as well as a woman screaming. It sounded quite serious, so I put the fuel nozzle back and locked my car, before quickly explaining to the attendant that I'd heard someone in distress and that he should probably call the police. He shouted something like "Okay, be careful" and I sprinted over to where the noise was coming from.

Basically, two guys were laying viciously into a woman of about 25, who was lying on the floor trying to protect herself. She was partially clothed (jeans and bra, but no top or coat) and she was bleeding. This was about 100 yards away from the kiosk and out of the light, but within the grounds of the services. At the time - in the few seconds prior to reacting to what I could see - I'd assumed that the folk were Irish travellers because there was a flatbed truck with a large caravan hitched up to it and their accents were particularly strong and hard to understand. Anyway, this woman appeared to be in pretty serious trouble.

My instinctive reaction was to run towards them shouting and trying to appear as intimidating as possible. I'm 6'3", my head is shaven and I'm largely built (18-stone), so I was hoping that my appearance alone would cause a little confusion and allow the woman to escape, but in actual fact the two fellas carried on shouting and kicking her!

Against my better judgement (it's hard to be rational at times like this, I'll admit...) I waded in and shoulder-charged into the guy closest to me, who lost his balance and hit the floor, face first. The other guy immediately sprang towards me and despite his relative size (probably about 5'10" and 12-stone), he was a hard little b*stard! My recently-fixed nose cracked after the third or fourth punch and had I not hit him with a lucky swing, I reckon he'd have done me some damage :mad: Anyway, all this happened in very little time and he backed off, holding his face in his hands. The other guy was still on the floor (this is the first and only time I've ever shoulder-charged anyone unconscious!) and the woman who I thought I was helping was swearing and cursing. At me....:eek:

Anyway to cut a long story short, I was arrested at the scene and taken in a van to a police station about three or four miles away. The two guys and the woman had claimed that I'd simply interfered in a family argument (she was their sister!!!) and that her own injuries had come from a boyfriend earlier in the evening. Worse still, the guy at the kiosk denied/forgot hearing what I'd said and told police that one minute I'd been filling my car, and the next I was running across the forecourt towards the hills. Unfortunately the CCTV footage obtained later appeared to confirm this (no sound :confused: ) and it all started to look very bad for me. And to cap it all, my nose was bent around my face and I'd lost a tooth......And I'd just stopped for petrol... :(

I was charged with assault, the case went on for a few weeks and eventually I learned to my relief that the whole thing was to be dropped. I was never offered a proper explanation as to why, but my solicitor reckoned that the travellers had probably had second thoughts about going through the whole thing as witnesses, and so that was that. Ten months later I had my second nose-job and my tooth fixed, all of which was painful and expensive...:(

Anyway, the point was that during all the furore over my arrest and before the assault charge was brought, one of the police officers who'd attended the scene advised me that unless I was privy to a criminal incident in which someone's life was plainly immediately at risk, it was advisable to remove oneself to a safe distance, call the police and avoid any confrontation. He pointed out that because thieves and other criminals were constantly at risk of being apprehended by members of the public, it was generally the rule (rather than the exception) that they would carry some kind of dangerous weapon with which to protect themselves from the possibility of arrest and of course prison. It made me think about the the two guys who'd been beating up their sister - what if they'd had knives or even guns (and with hindsight, they looked like the types who would have...)..? Whichever way I look at it, it just wasn't worth the aggro in my case, even though I'd thought the woman was in danger.........

Like I said, it's bad news when our property is damaged or violated by thieving scum, and I can understand your anger completely. BUT, if you had been lying cold on a slab today, imagine how your girlfriend would feel. Imagine how your old man would feel, knowing that you gave your life for his broken window..........a morbid thought I admit, but surely something to consider? We all like to think we're big and tough sometimes and that we should give these a$$holes a taste of real justice, but in truth none of us is tough enough to prevent a sufficiently-determined, armed thief from seriously injuring or even killing us.

Be glad that you're alive. Get the window fixed. Please don't be an (unnecessary) hero ever again.

Thanks for listening :)
 
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Sorry to hear about this incident FLASH, firstly you're a brave man to have gone and tackled the guy disarmed him and detained him until the police got there, secondly you we're lucky nothing happened to you and fortunate you did him no serious harm. Hopefully you will be cleared of anything. I'm not so confident anything productive will happen to the low-life in question, the law in this country is a joke!

I sometimes wish we had Karachi Cops in this country, or atleast public punishment like the stocks or stoning!!!!

I've recently been looking into at home security after a couple of minor thefts form my property, mostly garden ornaments and plants etc. We've put metal gates and railing across the front, built a wall at the back, put up spotlights and wooden fencing on another side of the house and still no difference. All that keeps the adventurous kids out but the criminals see them as simple obstacles.

So thinking about razor wire on some parts but with advice from others it seems that you can do as much to your property/land as you want but if a trespasser-cum-tealeaf gets hurt you're responsible regardless of the signage or fact its you're blooming property and they were never invited in! Disgraceful, it truly is!!!
 
Sorry to hear of this incident chap :( im just glad your ok, not only a knife but a screwdriver as well!!! shockin mate, theres to many of these stories appearing at the the moment :mad: take it easy and look after yourself :)
 
Bearface - I have 2 work colleagues who were both charged and convicted after separately doing very similar things to what you did. Both big guys who can usually shrug off any trouble. One of them was on CCTV and it somehow managed to look really bad for him even though he'd simply been defending himself. His solicitor was pretty certain he was going down, but got a big fine the end.

It's very hard to walk away though, and especially when it's your property that's been violated. I detained a burgler at work once, when I was working late in the evening on my own, and I got a right bollocking from my bosses for doing it! The Police took the guy away and then released him without charge.
 
Rory said:
Bearface - I have 2 work colleagues who were both charged and convicted after separately doing very similar things to what you did. Both big guys who can usually shrug off any trouble. One of them was on CCTV and it somehow managed to look really bad for him even though he'd simply been defending himself. His solicitor was pretty certain he was going down, but got a big fine the end.

Yup, I think these scenarios are pretty common and I'm hardly in a position to criticize anyone for taking matters into their own hands. I'm a big, ugly bloke and fortunate in that nobody (sensible) ever singles me out for grief in a pub/dark night situation, but equally it means that I look a lot less like an innocent victim (or even a well-meaning hero...) to most people, including the police themselves. So I suppose people like me are blessed and cursed in equal measure...:crazy:

Rory said:
It's very hard to walk away though, and especially when it's your property that's been violated. I detained a burgler at work once, when I was working late in the evening on my own, and I got a right bollocking from my bosses for doing it! The Police took the guy away and then released him without charge.

It's very hard to walk way, but after my own experiences (including the one quoted above), I think it's by far the best route to take. If someone breaks into our car and we can see them close by or leaving the scene, we could always try to capture their likeness on our mobile phones (it seems stupid, but it might serve it's purpose in due course), but to pursue or tackle them when we have no idea whether they're tooled-up or not is just ridiculous. Plus, if they turn out to be unarmed and we injure them in some way (and let's face it, over-zealous self-appointed vigilantes are generally a bit keen...), then of course we're going to face the full force of the law. Tony Martin was allegedly in fear of his own safety (in his own home...) and look what happened to him. An extreme example I know, but still relevant...

As for the thieves and burglars who appear to get away with their crimes.......well again, I can see why this might push many of us into making the wrong decisions about tackling criminals or administering our own justice, but inevitably we'll end up paying the price by facing our own futures as criminals ourselves. It's a tough choice to make, but surely we should focus our efforts on getting the authorities to increase funding to enable forces to put more officers back onto the streets (which has started to happen in many areas) to more effectlively tackle the crimes we're so keen to protect ourselves from. It's not an immediate solution to all our problems by any means, but we'll remain conviction-free and of course we'll have more chance to live to tell a few more tales. We all know it makes sense... :D
 
Thank You for all your support Guys and everyone has made interesting and very good valid points and I take on board "everything" that "everyone" has said on our Forum.

I went to see my Solicitor today and he is now aware of the facts/details. For the time being I am going to have to just sit this one out until my bail appearance date and see what the CPS/Police have to say after they have got the forensic results etc. Soliciotor was too also surprised (just like we all are...) that the Police have taken the cause of action that they have against myself when my g/f witnessed the incident. I also discussed the idea about goin to the Press about the incident but his advise was to wait until the bail date first if I was to to down this route.

On a more positive note now I hoovered all the broken fragments of glass and luckily there appears not to be any other damage to the vehilce or paintwork. I carefully removed the door trim card/panel my self ready for Auto Glass fitter to slot the glass in tomorrow (Stealership did not have it in stock today and I insisted that OEM MB glass is used).

I agree with what others have said on this thread that the "scum" will most likely walk away with a slap on the wrists.
 
Flash said:
On a more positive note now I hoovered all the broken fragments of glass and luckily there appears not to be any other damage to the vehilce or paintwork.

Did the Police Forensic people exam the car? The offender will in all probability have slivers of glass in their footwear.

John
 

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