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Car window smashed...

"I was just trying to nick this guy's car yeah, and then he starts chasing after me! So I pull a knife on him so I can stab him and get away but he knocks it out of my hand!! I've only got my screwdriver left yeah, so I try stabbing him with that instead, but it doesn't work!!! He should go to jail mate, I was only trying to nick his car."

I hate to say it, but sometimes bringing yourself down to these people's level and hoping you get away with it is the only way of making sure they don't **** with you again. If you can find out where they live, and you've got a few mates free one night who are up for a ruck, I always find its the best way of solving these problems. But hell, that's just me.
 
Iyse, we cannot condone or encourage that sort of behaviour here despite how tempting it might sound.

One has to retain the higher moral ground or we turn to anarchy.
 
Isye has a point, there is only so much you can take before you snap, its reasonable to have such thoughts as we are all human. Some people steal for fun, some for profit, some for a living and others out of sheer desperation. The law shares that view and thats why they do nothing in some cases BUT to deny a person to defend himself or his hard earned is outrageous and an injustice above all!
 
I have to say I will never walk away or turn a blind eye.

On a slightly different note, I was refusing entry to a dickhead one night (ages ago) and he took a swing for me and hit my wife (who should not have been there but a typical women had to have her say) and I really did lay into him. When the police came (and I had cooled down) they dragged him away and never even asked we what had happened after seeing my wife crying.
 
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I always believe that “scum” need to be taught a lesson and have no regrets about my actions but its just the unnecessary stress that I’m having to go through until I’m in the all clear. I don’t regret my actions but do consider myself extremely lucky under the circumstances that I’m still here.
 
lots of valid points above - just to add my two cents. Be very careful about the tony martin example - i studied Law and read the case as many law students did, i also studied it in UEA norwich so got lots and lots of additional press and interesting insights on the case. The guy has been made into a martyr by the press but he was a horrible nasty person. He talked repeatedly about shooting people at local parish meetings and shot two people who were fleeing from his property. The wounds were all to the back. He also had a history of threatening other villagers who weren't tyring to steal from him. People I met suggested he was a local bogeyman of sorts. We played rugby against his village side quite often,6 times over the 3 years in fact, and it seemed fairly well recieved that he was in jail.

Another example of the media destroying the criminal justice system...
 
SportsCoupeRich said:
lots of valid points above - just to add my two cents. Be very careful about the tony martin example - i studied Law and read the case as many law students did, i also studied it in UEA norwich so got lots and lots of additional press and interesting insights on the case. The guy has been made into a martyr by the press but he was a horrible nasty person. He talked repeatedly about shooting people at local parish meetings and shot two people who were fleeing from his property. The wounds were all to the back. He also had a history of threatening other villagers who weren't tyring to steal from him. People I met suggested he was a local bogeyman of sorts. We played rugby against his village side quite often,6 times over the 3 years in fact, and it seemed fairly well recieved that he was in jail.

Another example of the media destroying the criminal justice system...

Not sure why I needed to be careful, but I'm more than willing to concede that I could've used a less controversial example to make my point. My statement was simply:

"Tony Martin was allegedly in fear of his own safety (in his own home...) and look what happened to him. An extreme example I know, but still relevant..."

There are so many perspectives and theories surrounding the Tony Martin case but only those present know precisely what happened that night, at least beyond the documented evidence which is widely available to anyone who is interested. Anything else is speculation, hearsay and rumour, I'm afraid - including any claims as to how nasty he allegedly was, no matter what a few locals might've said. If you read the case as it was presented by the court service website, it's clear that Tony Martin had complained to the police many times about intruders and thefts from his property, so he clearly felt vulnerable. Furthermore, his idiosyncracies and eccentricities undoubtedly did him more harm than good - if he'd been a presentable family man the whole case would've probably gone in an entirely different direction.

Still.....at the end of the day he was convicted based on the evidence available and that was the end of the matter. However the case highlighted the ambiguity in the law when it comes to property owners and their rights to protect both themselves and their belongings. Given that the Tony Martin case attracted more attention than almost any other similar case in living memory, I think it's inevitably going to serve as a reference point for those involved in discussion such as these.

However in my defence, I did say that it was an extreme example ;)

Another example of the media destroying the criminal justice system...

I'm not sure I understand. Is the criminal justice system not already a fundamentally flawed machine clogged with archaic principle, ambiguity and prejudice? If it not a self-destructive entity? Why are the media to blame?
 
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I wasnt implying you be careful in specific, just a general statement as many people always bring the case up without having read around like we may of. Should of made that clearer, :)

The criminal justice system is fundementally flawed in that it uses a crime control methodology....utilitarianism at its best. However the principle of utilitarianism seems somewhat lost on the media who cite extreme examples and want 100% justice for every case. Such an impossibility is then read about by those with less of a, how do we say , analytical brain......they then feel aggrieved everytime justice apparently fails them. The UK justice system has never purported to be a 100% safe system. It is the media that puts this claim forward...just my opinion, obviously. :) ;)
 
Latest update - bail was extended for me till next month as still investigating... :rolleyes:
 
just read this thread - all been said before,

glad you managed to catch up with the scum and teach him a few things, however no doubt the law will let him off and he will just do it again....

if it happened to me though i'd leave it since a broken window is not worth your life.... the knife & screwdriver being drawn upon you could have ended up with a very different story...
 
Everyone is keeping their fingers crossed for you on this one.
Given the circumstances, and if I was bigger, I'd have done exactly the same.

Society these days focuses on individual rights and ignores responsibilities.
I also believe that people have a fundamental responsibility to keep to the law and that breaking the law should result in loss of at least some of those rights.

I am reminded of a Russian Government Minister who was being quizzed by Western journalists on the "human-rights" of criminals in prison. He responded "what rights?" and really couldn't understand why the question had been asked.

Les
 
i havnt read this whole post, but my 230ce had its window smashed with a brick, which also chipped lots of interiuour wood panels which had to be replaced, total cost was about £400 just for some little scum bag to have 5 seconds of fun
 
DITTRICH said:
I am reminded of a Russian Government Minister who was being quizzed by Western journalists on the "human-rights" of criminals in prison. He responded "what rights?" and really couldn't understand why the question had been asked.

There is certainly food for thought and I totally agree that we tend to disregard the simple rights of the aggrieved.

I am however in full agreement with SportsCoupeRich, the Tony Martin case is NOT a case we should use as any type of example.

Regards,
John
 
Good news!!! No charges are to be brought against myself and they are charging the “b@stard” with criminal damage, assault/GBH and carrying an offensive weapon BUT not attempted murder…:rolleyes: (cannot remember the exact full wording of the charges to hand as was glad to see myself in the clear and get out of there…).

I’m glad to finally see myself finally in the clear BUT feel that more charges should have been brought against “it”. They also tell me that he is “known” to the Police and has other charges from other cases that he is also facing. Basically, he’ll probably get away with a slap on the wrists and when convicted of his crime against myself will serve the sentences concurrently with the sentence from the other crimes/charges IF successfully prosecuted and will probably be let out early on good behaviour or something when they only have to serve half the sentence (our Judicial System is a BIG joke!!!).
 
At least you've come out of it OK, that's the main thing and I'm glad to hear that:D . He will get his cummuppence in time;)
 
Good news Flash:D , on both counts of you not being prosecuted but also on the charges that your little "fiend" faces. I assume he will only have been charged with offences they can expect to convict him off - regardless of what actually happened.
Let's hope when he's convicted the the judge uses "Consecutively" instead of concurrently when pronouncing sentence - unlikely I know but we can live in hope.....

Rgds

Nige
 
I love any story with a happy ending and hopefully this is the ending.

Do NOT pay any attention to what this tow rag gets. It will NEVER be long enough and there is nothing you can do that will alter that. I have seen first hand any number of victims that have had their lives ruined simply because they get bitter over the pathetic sentences that are handed out.

Good luck,
John
 
im not too up on the legal side, but Flash, who paid for all the leagal costs involved on your end... if any...
 
Hope things go well now that they are prosecuting the right person.

A group of seven young guys walked down a residential street 1/4 mile away last night/this morning and attempted to break into all the parked cars (only by tugging on the doors) and setting alarms off as they went.
This got residents' attention as it was 5am.
They ended up stealing a moped and police were called.

Two got away on the moped.

Three were caught...

...the youngest of which was NINE YEARS OLD!!!:eek:
 
Flash said:
Good news!!! No charges are to be brought against myself and they are charging the “b@stard” with criminal damage, assault/GBH and carrying an offensive weapon BUT not attempted murder…:rolleyes: (cannot remember the exact full wording of the charges to hand as was glad to see myself in the clear and get out of there…).

STOP PRESS: police have, at least, some parts oftheir brains still intact. :D

Glad to see you're in the clear S! :) Hope the scum burns in hell! :devil:
 

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