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e class coupe e200cgi gets 7g tronic in June 2011

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I've got an open order for a e200cgi coupe. I was expecting delivery in June (i ordered last november 2010... its a LOOONG wait!).

Dealer called to inform me that mercedes have confirmed 7g transmission will be installed on all engines (including the 1.8) for model year 2012 and whether I wanted to wait for it (the e200 got a 5g transmission until now). I guess another month isn't the end of the world and seems silly not to.
 
I'm not so sure about that, when I had an E250CDI with the 5G as a courtesy car last week it felt dog rough even when warmed up compared to my 350CDI with the 7G cold
 
well, it looks like this is one of those subjective issues thats always going to be a matter of preference.

for the record, i wasn't really soliciting opinions - i just thought this info may be useful to someone (I know i've been trawling the web for any bit of info since I ordered - man waiting is crap especially with the piece of junk i'm currently driving)

i wasn't going to wait for model year 2012 until i found out about the transmission (other changes I know about are the daytime running lights - no longer round halogens as standard - but I got the light package so this wouldn't have affected me). I'm generally a sensible driver (and this is the 1.8 we're talking about so am not gonna be setting any land speed records :rolleyes: ) - for me the 7g tronic may hopefully translate to a slight gain in fuel economy. If so great, otherwise waiting means my car will be 'model year 2012' which may be useful down the line if i decide to sell it. But man - an extra month is going to go veeery slowly.
 
I'm not so sure about that, when I had an E250CDI with the 5G as a courtesy car last week it felt dog rough even when warmed up compared to my 350CDI with the 7G cold
That's the engine isn't it? There is nothing wrong with the 5 speed box on the 250 cdi but the engine can be harsh if revved. I think the point being made is it's a bit OTT for a small engine
 
That's the engine isn't it? There is nothing wrong with the 5 speed box on the 250 cdi but the engine can be harsh if revved. I think the point being made is it's a bit OTT for a small engine

Yeah I guess so.. when the engine had warmed up it still wasn't all that smooth, maybe it was that car since it was a courtesy car and had probably been given quite a bit of stick! There's a massive wall of torque that hits you all at once on the 250 did keep me grinning.


Another thing on the 2012 model year that I was told last week is the comand system is better for the bluetooth contact updates as it automatically updates from the phone rather than having to individually add or remove a contact.
 
I was just informed about this by MB and also they are dropping the manual versions of the 212 and the coupe, which will definitely turn me off MB and force me to another marque. Unless the C class coupe lives up to it's reputation?

The 7g box is a complete dog and not in the same league as the 5g, why MB persist with this box and no Manual is beyond me, drive the BMW 8 speed and you will see how far behind the 7g box is.

unbelieveable decision :doh:
 
I am a fan of the 7G gearbox, love it. It works great with no issues and mine comes with the steering wheel paddles. My old 320 CDI had the 5 speed so I have owned cars with both gearboxes. The 5 speed was good, but the 7 speed feels seemless when changing up or down.....each to their own I suppose but I would jump at the 7 speeder
 
I was just informed about this by MB and also they are dropping the manual versions of the 212 and the coupe, which will definitely turn me off MB and force me to another marque. Unless the C class coupe lives up to it's reputation?

The 7g box is a complete dog and not in the same league as the 5g, why MB persist with this box and no Manual is beyond me, drive the BMW 8 speed and you will see how far behind the 7g box is.

unbelieveable decision :doh:

The 5g box is ahead of the 7g.

It has better spacing between the speeds you are likely to span. When pressing on I dont want a change at 68mph, (3to4). I want the car to span between 50-80 in one gear, a 5g would do that. The 7g does this. I would be tempted back to manual as the sort of roads I like to drive on I feel the box holds me and the car back.

The changes are slower both up and down the box, compared to 5g cars I have owned and driven. (ranging from my last car, to a S500L) and 7g cars (my own car, a 204 320cdi, E500coupe and CLS350cdi) which were ALL afflicted with some sort of shifting trouble, be that jolts into a higher gear or jolts down a gear. Not withstanding the poor spacing of the gears which only comes apparent when you really want to push the car on a bit and 1 gear would cover the speeds for the short straights and tight bends in a 5g car, but you need 2 gears to span them in a 7g car.

At more normal less serious speeds and progress you have the ****ing thing changing between 6 and 7 (albiet almost imperceptibility) rather than just holding a gear, when a gradient comes. It also slurs its TC to much 7g, the 5g in lower gears engaged lock up more effectively. But MBs as a whole do not lock up enough.


I am a fan of the 7G gearbox, love it. It works great with no issues and mine comes with the steering wheel paddles. My old 320 CDI had the 5 speed so I have owned cars with both gearboxes. The 5 speed was good, but the 7 speed feels seemless when changing up or down.....each to their own I suppose but I would jump at the 7 speeder

Mine has the paddles, the one plus of 7g is the tall 7th gear meaning 1800rpm at 70mph (39mph/1000rpm) making 155mph super cruising a reality in a diesel and 180mph in a higher reving petrol engine.

However, new 212 sports, 204 sports all have wheel paddles and the nicer box.

Having my own car dropped off, then being leant a 212 220cdi the first observation was (5g)

a) how smooth the box is
b) how quick it changes
c) how it just works

over my 7g.

I was then given a 59 reg CLS. Bar the collosal power from the 350cdi my feeling was

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Yep, 7g was back in my life as it jolted and thumped about

Its a shame as the V6 engines are so good, but the 4pot cars did have an ace card.

Now they do not
 
Any news on the 350 petrol and diesel engines being upgraded for the 2012 model year? Is this model year available to order from June or will it being delivered from then?
 
Car magazines I read seem to suggest that the face-lifted C-Class will have Stop-Start technology as standard across the range, and that only the 7g box will be offered as automatic gearbox. Does anyone know if these two are confirmed? And if so, can the Stop-Start thingy be permanently disabled?

I am in two mind regarding the 7g box. It is probably smoother, but Olly warned me that they are almost impossible to fix so any fault usually means a new box. Now this is OK if you buy a new (or neweesh) car with lots of warranty, but if it does gain a reputation as a costly unreliable item then further down the line this may seriously affect re-sale values.
 
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Car magazines I read seem to suggest that the face-lifted C-Class will have Stop-Start technology as standard across the range, and that only the 7g box will be offered as automatic gearbox. Does anyone know if these two are confirmed? And if so, can the Stop-Start thingy be permanently disabled?
All the facelift W204's (C63 excepted) have Stop/Start as standard, whether manual or auto. It cannot be permanently disabled, but can be turned off from the centre console. The auto's all use the 7G-Tronic Plus 'box which is heavily revised over the original 7G-Tronic with different shift patterns, much lower internal friction, a clever new torque converter that completely locks while giving improved NVH characteristics, and an auxilliary oil pump to support stop/start.
 
The auto's all use the 7G-Tronic Plus 'box which is heavily revised over the original 7G-Tronic with different shift patterns, much lower internal friction, a clever new torque converter that completely locks while giving improved NVH characteristics, and an auxilliary oil pump to support stop/start.

7G tronic plus already in V6 W212s ...
 
The 7G gearboxes are rubbish. They GENERALLY bang from 2nd gear to 1st gear mainly, need more regular oil and Filter changes, constant software updates and valve body failures. :doh:

I would rather have the 5 speed 722.6 gearbox any day. Why do you need 7 gears :confused::confused::confused:
 
More info for model year 2012 spec changes

just been passed some more info from my dealer regarding changes for model year 2012 spec (code MY802 from June 2011 production - got the actual document passed to them from mb):

* full colour instrument cluster (as used in the C and CLS class) - cant find any pics of what this might look like though (not sure what 'full colour' means)

* new steering wheel design (as used in CLS)

* 7g tronic plus available on all engines

* eco start/stop standard on all engines and all transmissions

* new metallic paint option - canvasite blue replacing tansanite blue

* aux-in moves from glove box to central arm rest

* new v6 diesel engine - e350 CDI (265 bhp, 620 Nm) - 47.1 mpg combined coupe/cabriolet - 154 g/km CO2 coupe, 159 g/km CO2 cabriolet

* new v6 petrol engine - e350 bluefficiency (306 bhp, 370Nm) - 40.4 mpg combined coupe, 39.2 mpg combined cabriolet - 164 g/km CO2 coupe, 168 g/km CO2 cabriolet. Also removal of 'cgi' external badging
 
I have just checked with my local dealer on the 2012 model year changes and they say they have no knowledge of any of them. I was also told that the car won't available until September.

They are still keen to take an order, even though they don't know when it will be available!
 
The 7G gearboxes are rubbish. They GENERALLY bang from 2nd gear to 1st gear mainly, need more regular oil and Filter changes, constant software updates and valve body failures. :doh:

I would rather have the 5 speed 722.6 gearbox any day. Why do you need 7 gears :confused::confused::confused:


Closer range gearbox, more useful in a small engine to get the best economy, performance and lowest emissions out of the car?

I've got to say my experience of the 7g box is that it is excellent. Smooth, quick changes and completely reliable. The paddle change matches it well.

I've only limited experience of the 5 speed, and it was fine, no problems. Just didn't feel as crisp as the 7.
None of the issues you mention.
 

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