ESP-That got you talking! Now more clarity

[MBManInKen]

Wow hey man I'm not calling myself an expert ESP has saved my ass before now neither am i calling it useless far from it in fact it's very good and i said that in my post.

Excellent, but where was I referring to you? Relax a bit gents, offering a bit of counter opinion doesn't mean I'm accusing anyone in particular .

How about you properly read peoples post's before you go mouthing off, I've just read mine back to myself no and nowhere does it say ESP is rubbish and I'm such a good driver its almost scary because ESP i's not rubbish and i'm not an awesome driver.

But I wasn't particularly replying to your post or indeed to that of any individual. I must have touched a raw nerve with a few of you though, looking at the reactions .

What i did say is ESP is a tool that can help prevent accidents or reduce the severity of the accident should it be unavoidable but it should not be assumed that it will perform as advertised 100% of the time and can guarantee you wont have a crash.

Yes, and I enjoyed reading that post, and also actually agree with it.

outside of what you have already accepted as fact i.e Your safe at all times because of ESP.

Ah, but now you are making assumptions. So, please quote me on the above - where did I say anything of the kind?

 

[DansSlk]

Your right i was making an assumption with my comment on you not accepting it and I'm sorry i based it off of your posts in the speed cam thread and the other one on ESP where you tend to get annoyed when people don't agree with you.

I have no problem at all when you offering a counter opinion and i can assure you that you've not poked any raw nerves with me i was just a little peeved at the start of your post "Oh dear, there come the absolutes again" and from what i have read none of us have made any absolute statements.

 

[MBManInKen]

where you tend to get annoyed when people don't agree with you.

I'm sorry if my posts give that impression, but I rarely get annoyed. I do tend to defend my corner vigourously , but actually I do enjoy a good debate and I don't mind disagreements at all.

Perhaps something to do with style - and I am a foreigner, remember, our style tends to be a bit more sharp compared to British gentleness .

I have no problem at all when you offering a counter opinion and i can assure you that you've not poked any raw nerves with me i was just a little peeved at the start of your post "Oh dear, there come the absolutes again" and from what i have read none of us have made any absolute statements.

I admit I was deliberately a bit confrontational there, but it does stem from the reality that some comments could easily be interpreted in a more absolute way than they are perhaps intended (but that of course is equally the case for my comments ).

BTW, I have long bailed out of the speed camera debate, that kept going nowhere long after it had been flogged to death.

 

[DansSlk]

I'm sorry if my posts give that impression, but I rarely get annoyed. I do tend to defend my corner vigourously , but actually I do enjoy a good debate and I don't mind disagreements at all.

Perhaps something to do with style - and I am a foreigner, remember, our style tends to be a bit more sharp compared to British gentleness .



I admit I was deliberately a bit confrontational there, but it does stem from the reality that some comments could easily be interpreted in a more absolute way than they are perhaps intended (but that of course is equally the case for my comments ).

BTW, I have long bailed out of the speed camera debate, that kept going nowhere long after it had been flogged to death.

Thats cool, no worries

 

[television]

I have been to the trade show today so I missed all of the fun here

 

[MBManInKen]

I have been to the trade show today so I missed all of the fun here

Ah, but you see, that's the beauty of a forum like this, you can now happily catch up on all the vitriolic manbag fights from earlier on, in the warmth of your home .

 

[television]

you can now happily catch up on all the vitriolic manbag fights from earlier on, in the warmth of your home .

Not the same, as I normally start them off

 

[rf065]

True, in the 7.2mm of snow we had last year I couldn't shift the car with brand new decent summer boots on - had to drag the thing out of the way .

Now that the fightings over............
Are you a meteorologist? Thats a very precise measurement of snow.

Russ

 

[fredfloggle]

Now that the fightings over............
Are you a meteorologist? Thats a very precise measurement of snow.

Russ

Precise because it is considered avalanche conditions in the UK.

And no , I've never collected stamps.

 

[fredfloggle]

I'm sorry if my posts give that impression, but I rarely get annoyed. I do tend to defend my corner vigourously , but actually I do enjoy a good debate and I don't mind disagreements at all.

Perhaps something to do with style - and I am a foreigner, remember, our style tends to be a bit more sharp compared to British gentleness .



I admit I was deliberately a bit confrontational there, but it does stem from the reality that some comments could easily be interpreted in a more absolute way than they are perhaps intended (but that of course is equally the case for my comments ).

BTW, I have long bailed out of the speed camera debate, that kept going nowhere long after it had been flogged to death.

bloody foreigners.....

 

[DansSlk]

And no , I've never collected stamps.

 

[Parrot of Doom]

The natural reaction is to pull out to avoid hitting whatever is in your way. In an accident situation, you do not have time to check your mirrors and see if it is safe to stop, by the time you have done that, you have hit whatever was in your way. I thought the last bit of the vid was the most impressive. I agree that driving at 70mph on ice is rather stupid, but the idea was to prove a point, if it will help at 70 on ice, it will sure as hell help at 50mph on a dry road.

That may be your reaction but it isn't mine. My reaction is to instantly hit the brakes, and then look to avoid whatever it is. Especially on a bend, where the chances of the back end coming back around after a swerve are all too likely.

 

[Parrot of Doom]

So, let me see if I get this right: ESP can help save real people's lives and even reduce the severity of cases where there is still an impact.

So, just because we have some other gripe about driver education or because it's not a magic wand that can suddenly prevent all accidents by all people in all situations, we'll rubbish it?

I'm not rubbishing the technology. I'm rubbishing the policy that seems to suggest its more important that driver skills.

 

[fredfloggle]

I'm not rubbishing the technology. I'm rubbishing the policy that seems to suggest its more important that driver skills.

MBManInKen can't accept that people have a free will on this (and other matters) - I am afraid I for one can't just accept that something is "right" for me because MB or the government or the dept of health tells me so - I need to ask questions and find out the facts for myself. Take a look at the health advice we are given - it changes every week.

 

[MBManInKen]

I'm rubbishing the policy that seems to suggest its more important that driver skills.

Whose policy would that be?

 

[BTB 500]

I'm not rubbishing the technology. I'm rubbishing the policy that seems to suggest its more important that driver skills.

Let's consider the real world.

I drive along the A322 to get to my house, it's an unlit unrestricted dual carriageway.

If one night a deer pops out in front of me when I'm driving the Vito I will probably be very glad that I have ESP. It's likely I'll have a greater chance of avoiding it and not turning the vehicle over. Of course it's not going to guarantee to keep me safe, but it will help.

Now the "driver skill" to avoid this scenario is going to be what? For the next 35 years never exceeding 30 mph on that road just in case this happens?

 

[TheGrocer]

Another informative vid offering clarity - thank you.

I can honestly say that ESP has been a complete mystery to me even though it has been fitted on my previous and current car. This makes me think that buying a car without this is not an option.

Is there any reason why you are taking the trouble to inform us of ESP capabilities?

No reason other than an interest in the features on my car that I have never really understood. Good to know they are there but I dont ever want to push a car I love to the limits where they are used on a regualr basis

 

[Parrot of Doom]

If you can't swerve to avoid something without turning your vehicle over I suggest you need to consider if you're safe to be on the road.

This argument is pathetic now. I've repeatedly said that the technology is ok, but that its no substitute for driving safely. I don't see how anyone can argue this point.

 

[television]

If you can't swerve to avoid something without turning your vehicle over I suggest you need to consider if you're safe to be on the road.

This argument is pathetic now. I've repeatedly said that the technology is ok, but that its no substitute for driving safely. I don't see how anyone can argue this point.

Surely this is a combination of both driver skill with a little help from the car

 

[BTB 500]

If you can't swerve to avoid something without turning your vehicle over I suggest you need to consider if you're safe to be on the road.

Thanks for the vote of confidence

I've managed the last 30 years of driving without turning a vehicle over, however in the split-second scenario I described I suspect most people would react entirely by instinct and "driver skills" wouldn't really come into it. Therefore having ESP would be a benefit.