EV's and battery damage & other woes means I wont buy one

[MeQ]

Yes you are correct. An EV has 0 advantage over a modern ICE vehicle; and many (and counting) downsides.

Less than £6 to ‘fill’ for circa 300 miles, show me any ICE car that can do the same.

 

[gusferlizi]

Less than £6 to ‘fill’ for circa 300 miles, show me any ICE car that can do the same.

Please enlighten me on your specific math because my generous average ball park calculation is coming to only about half the cost per mile to an e350 diesel, if you charge of a 13A wall outlet.

 

[MeQ]

Please enlighten me on your specific math because my generous average ball park calculation is coming to only about half the cost per mile to an e350 diesel, if you charge of a 13A wall outlet.

Calculation done with online calculator for convenience.

Set to my vehicle, home charger and energy tariff.

 

[BTB 500]

Since all our company cars at work are EVs, there's nil VED to pay and so I can't be sure who's meant to be paying the VED on a lease car.

But I am guessing that it's the person or entity leasing the car, not the finance provider? I.e., when the government start charging VED on EVs, I expect that I will have to pay it (through the company), and not the finance provider.

AFAIK the owner of the car i.e. the finance company pays the vehicle tax.

 

[MeQ]

AFAIK the owner of the car i.e. the finance company pays the vehicle tax.

It will be interesting to see what the lease companies do with vehicles that cross over the date it changes, for example a 2023 car on a 4 year lease (ved included) will cost £180 per year from 2025

 

[gusferlizi]

Calculation done with online calculator for convenience.

Set to my vehicle, home charger and energy tariff.

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I'm clearly skeptical, but that doesn't sound realistic.

Where do you have 8p/kWh in the UK?

TBF just realised our tariff has dropped slightly to £0.285/kWh, so it could be a few quid less than half much money as much as my 320CDI on a 300 mile trip.

Also was the 30A charger free?

 

[BTB 500]

Calculation done with online calculator for convenience.

Set to my vehicle, home charger and energy tariff.

Out of interest, is the charge cost based on kWh added to the car battery or kWh taken from the mains? They're not the same thing as some power is lost during the charging process (variable, but likely to be in the order of 15-20%). Still cheap, obviously.

 

[MeQ]

I'm clearly skeptical, but that doesn't sound realistic.

Where do you have 8p/kWh in the UK?

TBF just realised our tariff has dropped slightly to £0.285/kWh, so it could be a few quid less than half much money as much as my 320CDI on a 300 mile trip.

Also was the 30A charger free?

Most energy suppliers offer EV charging tariffs now ranging from 7p - 9.5p kWh

My charging rate is currently 7.5p

The charger was not free but wrapped up in other electrical works I needed anyway and deal on the car had this cost at very little if anything overall.

 

[MeQ]

Out of interest, is the charge cost based on kWh added to the car battery or kWh taken from the mains? They're not the same thing as some power is lost during the charging process (variable, but likely to be in the order of 15-20%). Still cheap, obviously.

I assume the calculator allows but if not the costs virtually match up with our energy suppliers charges.

 

[Noitz]

Calculation done with online calculator for convenience.

Set to my vehicle, home charger and energy tariff.

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That's all well and good if your commuting locally. Now trying going on a long journey, ie. a typical holiday drive of 300-400 miles using public charging stations and see what the cost is per mile, not to mention the frustration incurred with the poor infrastructure.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Now trying going on a long journey, ie. a typical holiday drive of 300-400 miles using public charging stations and see what the cost is per mile, not to mention the frustration incurred with the poor infrastructure.

I suspect @MeQ will do just that

How did you get on when you tried it in an EV, and which EV was it?

 

[markjay]

That's all well and good if your commuting locally. Now trying going on a long journey, ie. a typical holiday drive of 300-400 miles using public charging stations and see what the cost is per mile, not to mention the frustration incurred with the poor infrastructure.

You can work it out for yourself:

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Enter your usual holiday destination and then share your journey details?

 

[Noitz]

I suspect @MeQ will do just that

How did you get on when you tried it in an EV, and which EV was it?

I don't own an EV, however, an acquaintance of mine does and has spoken many times over the last 3 years about his journeys around this isle in a Kia Niro EV. I can only deduce that his frustration with the unreliable charging infrastructure and it's wildly varying charging costs across the country must be a typical experience of many other EV owners who drive cross country on a daily basis, hence the comment in my previous post.

 

[markjay]

I don't own an EV, however, an acquaintance of mine does and has spoken many times over the last 3 years about his journeys around this isle in a Kia Niro EV. I can only deduce that his frustration with the unreliable charging infrastructure and it's wildly varying charging costs across the country must be a typical experience of many other EV owners who drive cross country on a daily basis, hence the comment in my previous post.

So it's frustrating, but doable - that's the conclusion?

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I don't own an EV, however, an acquaintance of mine does and has spoken many times over the last 3 years about his journeys around this isle in a Kia Niro EV. I can only deduce that his frustration with the unreliable charging infrastructure and it's wildly varying charging costs across the country must be a typical experience of many other EV owners who drive cross country on a daily basis, hence the comment in my previous post.

And what was the cost per mile over a typical 300 or 400 mile holiday drive?

 

[Noitz]

So it's frustrating, but doable - that's the conclusion?

I'm pretty sure your'e intelligent enough to work that out for yourself.

 

[Noitz]

And what was the cost per mile over a typical 300 or 400 mile holiday drive?

In all honesty I don't know exactly what his average daily costs per mile have been over the years of ownership, but I will be sure to ask the next time we meet up. What I do know is that whenever possible he recharges overnight at home as according to his experience the rates with his supplier (Octopus Energy) are very favourable indeed.

 

[markjay]

I'm pretty sure your'e intelligent enough to work that out for yourself.

I don't know about that, but I am certainly old enough to know that cleaner air in our cities and urban areas does come at a cost. I'm also old enough to know that when the cost involves an inconvenience to some, there will naturally be resistance to change.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Please enlighten me on your specific math because my generous average ball park calculation is coming to only about half the cost per mile to an e350 diesel, if you charge of a 13A wall outlet.

You’re misinformed, but who cares. It’s only money, and you probably don’t want to start off every day with 300 miles in your “tank”

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Keep paying for fossil fuel. Let others set the pace. 35 million cars on the road and we’re decades away from replacing them all. It’s like roof insulation and double glazing: why bother?

Chillax. If your motoring is 600 miles to Cornwall and back every week, using commercial chargers the case is less strong.

Unless you’re doing my trip this week, where I did exactly that journey, and could have topped up for free in Falmouth, and returned home for nothing.

(But used £160 worth of petrol for the round trip instead, when the whole journey could have cost me £20 at most, including some inefficient motorway bursts and a mild commercial top up charge)