EV's and battery damage & other woes means I wont buy one

[Bobby Dazzler]

In all honesty I don't know exactly what his average daily costs per mile have been over the years of ownership, but I will be sure to ask the next time we meet up.

No need as that’s not what I asked, nor what you referred to in your post below.

Now trying going on a long journey, ie. a typical holiday drive of 300-400 miles using public charging stations and see what the cost is per mile,

From that post I wrongly assumed that you had an insight as to what that cost of a typical 300 or 400 mile holiday trip would be, and that it would be alarming. Now I know that you don’t, then then there is no need to answer.

 

[clk320x]

Some hilarious posts on here from EV haters who have clearly not lived with or driven an EV for a single day.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

What I do know is that whenever possible he recharges overnight at home as according to his experience the rates with his supplier (Octopus Energy) are very favourable indeed.

Yes it’s less expensive to charge an EV at home than it is say a motorway service station. Just like how it’s less expensive to eat, have a coffee, etc. it’s even less expensive to recharge using an EV specific energy tariff.

 

[ChipChop]

The marketing spiel positioning EV's as motorings new El Dorado is really fascinating. Well done McKinsey and Company!

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The marketing spiel positioning EV's as motorings new El Dorado is really fascinating. Well done McKinsey and Company!

What report is that? Do send a link.

Tesla discovered gold but the rest of the industry hasn’t.

It’s a drive towards reducing climate change and improving energy security, in a world where we’ve gone from 3 billion wannabe car owners to 9 billion in just one lifetime.

Do put up that McKinsey link.

The folks who found El Dorado are the ones we buy oil from.

 

[ChipChop]

What report is that? Do send a link.

Tesla discovered gold but the rest of the industry hasn’t.

It’s a drive towards reducing climate change and improving energy security, in a world where we’ve gone from 3 billion wannabe car owners to 9 billion in just one lifetime.

Do put up that McKinsey link.

The folks who found El Dorado are the ones we buy oil from.

Tesla's 'El Dorado' was funded by the American taxpayer. Although he did pay them back eventually apparently.

McKinsey have 425 'insights' on the subject of EV's. See search link below. They even broach negatives associating with EV's. Refreshing.

Search | McKinsey & Company

www.mckinsey.com

 

[Neiltodd]

Don't fancy doing any of our European tours thru the Italian and French Alps from the North of Scotland in an EV.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Tesla's 'El Dorado' was funded by the American taxpayer. Although he did pay them back eventually apparently.

McKinsey have 425 'insights' on the subject of EV's. See search link below. They even broach negatives associating with EV's. Refreshing.

Search | McKinsey & Company

www.mckinsey.com

Which “insight” demonstrates that that EV’s are an El Dorado?

Tesla certainly played the system to get tax breaks on investment and EV sales, with the icing on top of battery farm sales. A canny wee trick comparable to the internet boom and the Y2K gang rape. But not as lucrative as US military sales

But can’t see who’s finding gold after Tesla. It’s not the traditional industry players, or newcomers like Lucid.

The Chinese, including the biggest EV manufacturer in the world? Maybe but not obvious because of the government dependency.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Don't fancy doing any of our European tours thru the Italian and French Alps from the North of Scotland in an EV.

Why’s that?

Scared of the mountain passes, or the locals?

Or just frightened of the winter tyre requirements?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

McKinsey have 425 'insights' on the subject of EV's. See search link below. They even broach negatives associating with EV's. Refreshing.

Search | McKinsey & Company

www.mckinsey.com

Not surprisingly, barely a quarter of the insights into “Oil”

And a tenth of their insights into AI.

EV’s are no Strategic Consulting “El Dorado.” Never were. Bigger fish to fry

 

[ChipChop]

Which “insight” demonstrates that that EV’s are an El Dorado?

Tesla certainly played the system to get tax breaks on investment and EV sales, with the icing on top of battery farm sales. A canny wee trick comparable to the internet boom and the Y2K gang rape. But not as lucrative as US military sales

But can’t see who’s finding gold after Tesla. It’s not the traditional industry players, or newcomers like Lucid.

The Chinese, including the biggest EV manufacturer in the world? Maybe but not obvious because of the government dependency.

Not as lucrative as US military sales indeed. Pharma must be up there as well.

The 7 steps for succcesful GTM strategy EV model.

Leaving the niche: Seven steps for a successful go-to-market model for electric vehicles

To regain momentum after the COVID-19 pandemic ends, the players in this market must reconsider their strategies.

www.mckinsey.com

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

The marketing spiel positioning EV's as motorings new El Dorado is really fascinating. Well done McKinsey and Company!

I’d be interested to find out more about McKinsey’s involvement, can you share more please?

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Don't fancy doing any of our European tours thru the Italian and French Alps from the North of Scotland in an EV.

Don’t worry, you won’t need to

 

[markjay]

The issue with the cost of energy for EVs, is that it varies considerably.

You can charge at home for well under 10p per kWh, you can charge on the street at 30-50p per kWh, and you can charge using ultrafast chargers at motorway services and pay 70-90p per kWh. And, before calculating the average cost, the spanner in the works is that you can charge at various locations for free.

The result is that people tend to quote the cost based on how they feel about EVs... the 'pro' brigade will revel at the free fast chargers at their local retail park, while the 'anti' brigade will keep pointing out how horrendously expensive their long journeys would be due to the exclusive use of premium chargers.

The not-surprising reality is that very few people will actually manage to drive everywhere for free, hopping from one Tesco to Aldi to Ikea etc, and very few people will be forced to always use ultrafast chargers at motorway services.

It's a no-brainer that in the majority of cases the cost of energy per-mile for EV will be significantly less than that of an ICE car, and it's also a no-brainer that this is in part due to the low taxation on electricity.

But the 'debate' will go on....

 

[markjay]

I’d be interested to find out more about McKinsey’s involvement, can you share more please?

Google found these:

Electric vehicles—what’s ahead

Electric vehicles (EVs) are transforming the mobility sector to an extent not seen since the introduction of the Model T Ford. Public acceptance of EVs—once uncertain—has reached a tipping point and will continue to grow as consumers seek more economical, environmentally-friendly transport...

www.mckinsey.com

"The McKinsey Center for Future Mobility (MCFM) works with stakeholders across the mobility ecosystem by providing independent and integrated evidence about possible future-mobility scenarios in many forms: autonomous driving, e-mobility, shared mobility, and more. This research is a guide to action for individual, public, and private sector actors alike. We recognize that mobility must be more sustainable, smarter, safer, less expensive, and more convenient for everyone. Our focus is on easing the current and forthcoming shifts this inflection entails while identifying the tremendous opportunities being created by it."

They seem to be a commercial organisation promoting EVs? This in itself will pi$$ off many an Internet 'scholar'....

 

[ChipChop]

I’d be interested to find out more about McKinsey’s involvement, can you share more please?

The links above demonstrate that McKinsey have a lot to say on the subject of flogging EV's successfully. Hence my reference.

 

[Jobsworth]

I’m a fence sitter. I don’t own an ev, but I’ve worked on and driven a few. My pal has had a tesla m3 and currently a Hyundai as company cars (no choice in the matter), and he was ok with them until the other day when he needed to charge on the way home from a distant site visit. The car chose him a charging point en route. He arrived to find one working charger, in use, and a queue of 4 waiting. He didn’t have enough range left to reach an alternative charger. He didn’t get home until midnight, and was pretty pissed off.

 

[Bellow]

I’m a fence sitter. I don’t own an ev, but I’ve worked on and driven a few. My pal has had a tesla m3 and currently a Hyundai as company cars (no choice in the matter), and he was ok with them until the other day when he needed to charge on the way home from a distant site visit. The car chose him a charging point en route. He arrived to find one working charger, in use, and a queue of 4 waiting. He didn’t have enough range left to reach an alternative charger. He didn’t get home until midnight, and was pretty pissed off.

Recharging points could become the next big thing for dogging. Maybe that's the hope....

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I’d be interested to find out more about McKinsey’s involvement, can you share more please?

The non-existence of El Dorado was outlined in this point from ChipChop

Without proactive countermeasures, profitability could call enough to endanger the current business models of leading OEM"s and dealers:

(This follows on from the bit where McKinsey point out that although loads of people contemplate EV's, hardly any actually order one. (See ChipChop's Mckinsey link for details)

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I’m a fence sitter. I don’t own an ev, but I’ve worked on and driven a few. My pal has had a tesla m3 and currently a Hyundai as company cars (no choice in the matter), and he was ok with them until the other day when he needed to charge on the way home from a distant site visit. The car chose him a charging point en route. He arrived to find one working charger, in use, and a queue of 4 waiting. He didn’t have enough range left to reach an alternative charger. He didn’t get home until midnight, and was pretty pissed off.

Yes, no choice in the matter: either a tax free company car, or a £4k a year out of his own pocket.

Did he run out of petrol a lot previously?

It's annoying when you run a 600 mile petrol tank down to near empty, and then find there isn't a petrol station nearby, or that it's closed.

Basic rule of EV ownership: charge when you can, not when you have to. And preferably at the 2 - 3p per mile home rate, rather at commercial charger rates.