Experience with HIDS Direct LTD

[neilrr]

Zu11y's posts make more sense if you run them through Gizoogle

Yo.

 

[Giantvanman]

Zu11y's posts make more sense if you run them through Gizoogle

Yo.

Just tried a couple of everyday phrases……….very funny.

 

[Zu11y]

guys what i mean is when the components fail, hid systems don't last forever, especially in cars such as taxi which are used all night everyday.

i am an auto electrician and hid is a small part of our trade, i was simply saying that it is our responsibility to inform the customer of the legal aspect, it is the same when doing exhausts some systems can cause emissions to fail but if the garage informs their customer then they avoid liability.

it gets annoying when a small number of cars with ill fitted kits give the whole thing a bad reputation.

most cars we do these days are perfectly legal as the law states aftermarket kits are allowed if the headlight is designed to work with a hid bulb.

 

[DenniZ]

Just fitted a hid kit on my reflector based W169. I did pick the H7R bulbs and I think it needs a slight bulb alignment after though. Kit is good, decent components and good customer service and speed from HIDs direct. Price is comparable to others, but you get a warranty with these guys.

I bought the 4300k H7R, dipping my beams when I get some time to check the alignment as I suspect it needs a quick tweak. The strip on the top seems to be doing its job in reducing dazzle.

I am not going into the legality. The police are more likely to notice a 8000k (blueish tint?) kit vs 4300k (pure white slightly yellow if anything upon looking at the bulb area itself, it emits white light though), but this is my personal opinion.

I would recommend a kit from them if you need one.

Can post pictures if anyones interested.

 

[Sp!ke]

most cars we do these days are perfectly legal as the law states aftermarket kits are allowed if the headlight is designed to work with a hid bulb.

Sorry but I think you are talking balderdash.

The only headlight designed to work with an HID will already have an HID fitted and therefore won't need any HID kit.

That headlight will also need a self leveling system and wash wipe to be legal.

If you are an auto electrician and deliberately fitting illegal HID kits to cars then you are putting lives at risk as well as causing a menace for other road users.

Do you not understand this?

 

[Sp!ke]

Just fitted a hid kit on my reflector based W169. I did pick the H7R bulbs and I think it needs a slight bulb alignment after though. Kit is good, decent components and good customer service and speed from HIDs direct. Price is comparable to others, but you get a warranty with these guys.

I bought the 4300k H7R, dipping my beams when I get some time to check the alignment as I suspect it needs a quick tweak. The strip on the top seems to be doing its job in reducing dazzle.

I am not going into the legality. The police are more likely to notice a 8000k (blueish tint?) kit vs 4300k (pure white slightly yellow if anything upon looking at the bulb area itself, it emits white light though), but this is my personal opinion.

I would recommend a kit from them if you need one.

Can post pictures if anyones interested.

So here we have a prime example of why this is an issue.

You fit illegal HID lamps knowing that they are illegal and confirm that they aren't adjusted correctly.

And then you post on a forum saying how good your experience was from the seller.

Are you dillusional? Your HID bulbs cannot ever be adjusted correctly, never will. So what you have achieved is you've made your night time visibility worse as well as making it worse for other drivers because you are dazzling them.

And you think this is a good thing?

 

[gIzzE]

Your HID bulbs cannot ever be adjusted correctly, never will. So what you have achieved is you've made your night time visibility worse as well as making it worse for other drivers because you are dazzling them.

And you think this is a good thing?

I am going to disagree with that, not the misalignment part, but the bit about them never being able to be adjusted properly.


I used to say exactly the same, however, a friend of mine was sent some H7R HIDs to test for scatter etc. when he used to sell headlamps trade, including regular D2S style oem hids, and he said they were really impressive, you would have a really hard time telling them from an oem xenon from older cars (before projector style lenses, like the W210 etc.).

The scatter was non existent and the beam cut off was very sharp, just like a factory xenon.
He never stocked them, but said if done right there is no reason to not use them.

 

[markjay]

Sorry but I think you are talking balderdash.

The only headlight designed to work with an HID will already have an HID fitted and therefore won't need any HID kit.

That headlight will also need a self leveling system and wash wipe to be legal.

If you are an auto electrician and deliberately fitting illegal HID kits to cars then you are putting lives at risk as well as causing a menace for other road users.

Do you not understand this?

I think he was referring to when he is installing an aftermarket HID kit in a car originally fitted with HID from the factory.

...which is a new market sector for me, didn't realise people do that. I would have thought that the things that can go wrong with factory-fitted HIDs are generally blown bulbs (very rare but does happen), faulty ballast, or brokem suspension height sensor, all of which should be fairly straightforward to replace without having to opt for an 'aftermarket HID kit'. You learn something new every day...

 

[Dieselman]

The scatter was non existent and the beam cut off was very sharp, just like a factory xenon.

I can understand the beam cut-off being sharp, but can't see how scatter can be reduced as that is a function of the light output not originating from the correct point for the reflector to be able to focus it properly.

 

[Zu11y]

Sorry but I think you are talking balderdash.

The only headlight designed to work with an HID will already have an HID fitted and therefore won't need any HID kit.

That headlight will also need a self leveling system and wash wipe to be legal.

If you are an auto electrician and deliberately fitting illegal HID kits to cars then you are putting lives at risk as well as causing a menace for other road users.

Do you not understand this?

i really don't understand why its so hard to understand, look i don't know if you cant read or purposely being like that.

i stated that when an oem xenon kit stops working some people want an aftermarket kit, whats the difference?, one is from the stealership and one isnt, the law states that if the aftermarket kit goes into a headlight that is intended for xenons then it is fine, afterall the oem and after market bulbs are identical.

and what makes a kit illegal, the fact its not oem?, well doesnt that make all car parts not from the dealers illegal.

like i said fitting a kit into a reflector headlight is illegal, but fitting a ds2 hid kit into an oem headlight is perfectly legal.

 

[Sp!ke]

I smell porkie pies.

I am not aware of OEM HID kits needing to be replaced other than possibly a bulb replacement...certainly not in large enough numbers to claim that this is where most of your business comes from.

 

[Zu11y]

with all due respect, do you work as an auto electrician, probably not.

we dont drag these cars from the thin air, most of them are taxi skodas and toyotas, from around 2006, now baring in mind these cars are around the 200,000 + mileage mark. we see plenty of ballasts and bulbs going.

getting one replacement ballast from the dealers costs more than a full new hid kit fitted.

and as mentioned before hid is a small part of our garage work.

 

[Dieselman]

Zully.

I can understand items for HID units failing and requiring replacement, but initially you were talking about fitting burners with the R marking to control light scatter.

Why would you need to fit that kind of burner into a lamp designed for HID?

 

[Zu11y]

yh that was a reply to the "dazzle" statements, i said they are ways to do it so it does not dazzle other drivers, and as said before we only fit them if the customer knows they are illegal and for off road use only.

 

[Zu11y]

Why would you need to fit that kind of burner into a lamp designed for HID?

you wouldn't, a reflect bulb is designed for a reflector headlamp, we would install the oem style ds2 bulb in car with factory hid's

 

[markjay]

So all you do is replace a blown HID bulb for the customer?

Nothing wrong with that, the confusion arises from you calling the replacement bulb 'aftermarkrt HID kit'...

A bulb is a bulb and the customer can obviously purchase it wherever he/she likes.

 

[Dieselman]

^ What he said is that it's cheaper to use and aftermarket kit than buy an OEM part such as a ballast.

 

[whitenemesis]

guys what i mean is when the components fail, hid systems don't last forever, especially in cars such as taxi which are used all night everyday.

i am an auto electrician and hid is a small part of our trade, i was simply saying that it is our responsibility to inform the customer of the legal aspect, it is the same when doing exhausts some systems can cause emissions to fail but if the garage informs their customer then they avoid liability.

it gets annoying when a small number of cars with ill fitted kits give the whole thing a bad reputation.

most cars we do these days are perfectly legal as the law states aftermarket kits are allowed if the headlight is designed to work with a hid bulb.

IIRC exhaust centres that modify systems by removing DPF now require the customer to sign a document acknowledging they have been advised of the legal implications and of legal altertnative actions before the work is carried out.
I think this demonstrates they have grasped the repercussions of what they are doing. I think you would be well advised to adopt a similar stance. When one of your customers does get persecuted for driving an illegally modified vehicle (with all the attendent insurance implications) they will most surely be advised to lay the blame at your door.

I wonder how many would still wish to go ahead, have documented the fact they know they have broken the law?

 

[renault12ts]

you wouldn't, a reflect bulb is designed for a reflector headlamp, we would install the oem style ds2 bulb in car with factory hid's

A typo...you mean d2s of course...or d2r as with my car.

 

[Zu11y]

Yes sorry d2s,
And yes we do get our customers to sign a statements when doing hid kits.

And yes sometimes we do just replace the bulb, however sometimes the ballast is the issue, these are quite expensive usually starting at £150 and can be very expensive on cars such as mercedes and bmw, in this case we offer a aftermarket d2s hid kit.