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If he does, I think it will be a swap for one of McLaren's drivers - possibly Sainz
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Hmmm. To take that chance one would have to assume that the travel company will still exist in 12 months time
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Hmmm. To take that chance one would have to assume that the travel company will still exist in 12 months time
We didn't use a travel company. We did it all separately.
Well the travel company phoned yesterday and offered a number of options:-
Pointed out that none of those options were acceptable as we had booked a package holiday with them and only a full refund would be acceptable as they were unable to provide the holiday we had booked.
They were unable to agree to that and offered to escalate our claim to a higher department but did not know how soon they would be able to respond.
Section 75 claim made on credit card later that evening.
- Postpone the holiday until the revised Spanish GP date is announced (forgetting that it is likely to be behind closed doors if at all)
- Take an alternative holiday with them (forgetting that the FCO advice is to to travel and most countries have closed their borders)
- Accept a credit note refund of £468 (original holiday price was £1168). They can't refund the GP part as it is postponed not cancelled.
- If we cancel the GP part they can increase the credit note to £766
- Make a claim on our travel insurance which they will help with by issuing a cancellation invoice. When pushed for the value of the cancellation invoice - "the full cost of the holiday less the GP element"
Pointed out that none of those options were acceptable as we had booked a package holiday with them and only a full refund would be acceptable as they were unable to provide the holiday we had booked.
They were unable to agree to that and offered to escalate our claim to a higher department but did not know how soon they would be able to respond.
Section 75 claim made on credit card later that evening.
To add to that, the travel company goes under the names Mail Travel - Jetline Holidays - Jetline Travel
They are currently getting quite a few negative reviews on Trip Advisor.
Wouldn't choose to book with them again.
They are currently getting quite a few negative reviews on Trip Advisor.
Wouldn't choose to book with them again.
If it is any help to others now or in the future:-
Package Travel Directive
UK Legislation
Quoted these at them in an email last night & have had a response today advising that they will be in touch within 7 days
Package Travel Directive
UK Legislation
Quoted these at them in an email last night & have had a response today advising that they will be in touch within 7 days
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A rather pessimistic view on the prospect of any racing in 2020
Formula 1 may not race in 2020, say bosses
Formula 1 chairman Chase Carey has admitted that the sport's owners are preparing for "the remote possibility of no racing in 2020".
www.bbc.co.uk
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I'm surprised that they haven't come up with some sort of behind closed doors events to generate some interest and get stuff on TV.
Limit the number of staff at a circuit such as Silverstone and run some races or time trials or anything to create a buzz. Quarantine staff before the event if necessary. Something. Anything.
It's like much of the rest of the Can't Do economy.
I find it remarkable that the Premier League with all it's resources can't demand that teams and refereeing staff go into separate lock down and have regular checks and play out games in closed stadia.
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How many people do you think would be involved in 'some sort of behind closed doors events'?
Where would they stay? What would they eat? How and where would the food be prepared? How many personnel per car would be allowed? Where would TV staff stay, assuming they actually agree to work there? How many would be needed? Have Pirelli already made sufficient tyres? Would they need to restart production?
These are just a few questions that immediately come to mind, I'm sure others can think of some too.
Where would they stay? What would they eat? How and where would the food be prepared? How many personnel per car would be allowed? Where would TV staff stay, assuming they actually agree to work there? How many would be needed? Have Pirelli already made sufficient tyres? Would they need to restart production?
These are just a few questions that immediately come to mind, I'm sure others can think of some too.
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And I'm taking the view that in a "Can Do" world as opposed to a "Can't Do" world there would be some reasonable solutions and answers.
It seems everybody jumps to tell you why something can't be done.
So food - have it sodding delivered. Order in. Team sizes - reduce - but also quarantine before getting people in and set up for the event. Circuits are not tiny complexes they have facilities and without hangers on and the public the density drops. Spacing is possible if you want to try and do it on reduced numbers..
Nobody even tries. And yet there is a huge money and innovation in the sport. All that happens is capitulation and institutional torpor when they are subject to a real test.
I have to agree that the can't do attitude has killed off all sporting activities as demonstrated by something that is orders of magnitude simpler than F!. There is no reason in the world why golf couldn't be played safely if the club house was closed and yet golf courses across the country are shut. It's time some common sense was applied to get things moving again.
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Wasn't there talk of the first race being held in Austria first week of July followed by another a week later at the same venue?
Both behind closed doors and the same idea for Silverstone in August.
Both behind closed doors and the same idea for Silverstone in August.
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Being honest. I’m more than happy to wait until next year (or as long as it takes) for ‘normal’ service to be resumed: be it F1, football, Concerts, comedy gigs, Snooker world championship, Wimbledon etc etc etc.
For me the fans/spectators are an integral part of the show/event. It’s all or nothing for me. I want the full fat experience. The desperation for these events to be staged ‘behind closed doors’ seems pointless.
For me the fans/spectators are an integral part of the show/event. It’s all or nothing for me. I want the full fat experience. The desperation for these events to be staged ‘behind closed doors’ seems pointless.
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The current plans are behind closed doors and with staff in the Paddock to be tested every 2 days. The difficulty at the moment is local governments and travel. Ross Brawn has said teams will be in their own 'bubble' so kept away from other teams. I hope they do restart soon.
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We have guys like that at work, every time you ask something rather than them working out ways to do things their knee jerk is to go off on one and blast out all the reasons why things can't be done.
Over the years we have gradually weeded out the "can't do" ones but there are still a couple I can think of.
I have never come across a more proactive ’can do’ attitude than in motorsport. When one of my drivers retired from from racing he got himself a top job in the City. When he asked why he had been chosen, the HR guy said ‘When you have done motorsport you can do anything!’
I suspect that if the creative minds in F1 can’t get it done, then it really can’t be done.
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My suspicion is that they don't know how to agree with one another to move forward - and I'm guessing that if there was any opportunity to shift forward that Liberty don't have the same (machiavelian?) influence as Mr Eccelstone might have had in a crisis.
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Another guess is that the F1 teams need more time to figure out what Mercedes Benz has done with the push-pull steering wheel so that they can copy it before the next race ! 
I think there is a unity in F1 to get the show back on the road. They are now dealing with the government, district and medical bodies who will put obstacles in the way. It is certainly a strong test for Liberty, and one that not even Bernie has experienced in his (long) lifetime.
From a selfish perspective, I would love to see F1 back on my big 4k screen as soon as possible so that the chances of survival of the whole sport remains realistic. The vast majority of fans are TV viewers, and seeing the events live will have to wait until it is safe to do so.
I've spent a lifetime in sports cars where every driver knew the names of every spectator, whereas in F1, every spectator knows the name of every driver......
