Formula 1 2020 (Will Contain Race Day Spoilers)

[Mactech]

No, you're not alone on this.
A VSC would have covered this today. The safety car should be deployed on certain scenarios. IMO the VSC would have done for today's race.

With the benefit of 20:20 hindsight, you could well be right.
However, the control room team at the races have just seconds to make that call. They have far more information than we do and safety will be the priority. Our entertainment value will not be their first consideration. In this race in particular, amid all the Covidian restrictions, F1 had to show it could put on a safe event.
Wether we like or agree with the result, we did get a great show.

PS. Did anyone miss the crowds? At least we didn't get any nasty 'canned' crowd noises I overheard on football matches!

 

[Deleted member 126251]

Black Lives Matter.
But, arguably, our one black driver suffered a little racing prejudice today.
Dropped to 5th on the grid.
Handed a 5 sec penalty

But what a cracking last lap from Lando and a somewhat lucky LeClerc.....
Oh...and Kimi did drive the wheels off the car!

If any non British driver had done to LH what LH did would you have the same views about the penalties?

Saying that the stewards are prejudiced toward LH because of his colour is ignorant and petulant!

 

[Mactech]

If any non British driver had done to LH what LH did would you have the same views about the penalties?

Saying that the stewards are prejudiced toward LH because of his colour is ignorant and petulant!

Read the post! I suggested that Lewis might have been shown racing prejudice not racial!
Maybe because he's a 6 time champ and ought to be setting an example.
I think they were both tough calls, whoever the driver was. But, them's the rules!

 

[st13phil]

The big takeaway for me was that every car using a Ferrari engine was massively down on straight line performance.

Logic suggests that they haven't all messed up their aero simulations, so that points the accusatory finger at the engine.

The engine that wasn't illegal last year when Ferrari were gaining 0.5 secs on the straights over Mercedes until the "rule clarification" in America. Oh no, nothing to see here. Move along

 

[Mactech]

The engine that wasn't illegal last year when Ferrari were gaining 0.5 secs on the straights over Mercedes until the "rule clarification" in America. Oh no, nothing to see here. Move along

It would seem likely that Ferrari have turned their engines down to legal and messed up on the aero.
The result remains:
Mercedes 1st
Ferrari 2nd
How does that work?

 

[st13phil]

It would seem likely that Ferrari have turned their engines down to legal and messed up on the aero.

I agree - they've got themselves two problems, and due to the freeze on engine development this year are only (legally) able to address one of them.

A couple of years ago I had the pleasure of working with a guy who had previously worked for one of the top F1 teams on aero data management and analysis. Over a few beers he divulged that they'd had a big performance problem rooted in poor correlation between fluid modelling simulations and real-world aero performance that they had to put huge effort into to both understand and resolve. Sounds like this season Ferarri have disappeared down a similar rabbit hole.

 

[Mactech]

I agree - they've got themselves two problems, and due to the freeze on engine development this year are only (legally) able to address one of them.

A couple of years ago I had the pleasure of working with a guy who had previously worked for one of the top F1 teams on aero data management and analysis. Over a few beers he divulged that they'd had a big performance problem rooted in poor correlation between fluid modelling simulations and real-world aero performance that they had to put huge effort into to both understand and resolve. Sounds like this season Ferarri have disappeared down a similar rabbit hole.

Yes, I think by Hungary we should be able to see if the Ferrari aero problem is one of correlation or failing to join the caped crusaders.
Engine power in Hungary is not top of the agenda.
Correlation has always been a key part of race car aero. From the first static tunnels through the rising scales of moving ground tunnels and in to the world of CFD. You are just kidding yourself if it doesn't represent what happens on the real circuit.
My first full CFD circuit car was the Bentley GT3 and so sceptical of the correlation was I that we spent 3 days at the Ehra high speed test circuit validating the CFD figures. As it turned out most of the stuff was pretty good, but it overestimated the overall downforce by about 10%. The detail. balance and drag were very close, but you have to know that before you know where you must make progress.

 

[zipdip]

Well I did not see qualifying,but the reason that LH got the grid penalty is I believe that VB who was in front of LH in the last few minutes of qualifying and already had the fastest time,went off the track and so there was a yellow flag at that point of the track,now if that is correct could we have a variation on the MS at Monaco race as it was LH missed pole by 0.012.
This may well be the best race to watch of the season,because without doubt the MB cars are at least .5 of a second faster per lap than any other car so unless we have breakdowns MB will get first and second.

 

[renault12ts]

As already said I think Lewis has had a hard time this weekend, when Bottas went off I would imagine all your concentration was focussed on the cloud to see if there was a car you are about to run into, rather than a glance to the side to spot a Yellow light that to me looked obscured by the dust cloud. As for Albon he took a chance and it didn't come off. Lewis kept his steering on, is his car suddenly supposed to jump a foot to the right to make room! Still it was eventful and after the famine welcome, good to see McLaren up there again

I think, but could be wrong, that on a yellow a light comes on in each car to indicate what flag is being waved.

 

[grober]

AA and LH = racing incident. AA was on the softer compound and had calculated the maximum speed he could "radius" the corner and so had LH. In doing so LH was committed to a racing line with a greater radius on the harder compound and inevitably would drift wide as the corner progressed. I doubt that at the stage where impact occurred if Hamilton could have tightened his line even if he had lifted off indeed he might have drifted wider. In summary AA calculated his cars cornering performance limits but failed to factor in LH car's performance limits in assesssing the success of his passing manoeuvre

 

[Stratman]

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Correlation has always been a key part of race car aero. From the first static tunnels through the rising scales of moving ground tunnels and in to the world of CFD. You are just kidding yourself if it doesn't represent what happens on the real circuit.
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In Adrian Newey's book (a very good read) he relates the tale of a car whose wind tunnel and track performance were very different. It turned out the floor of the tunnel was warped and presented an incorrect ground to underside clearance. Oops.

 

[GeeJayW]

In Adrian Newey's book (a very good read) he relates the tale of a car whose wind tunnel and track performance were very different. It turned out the floor of the tunnel was warped and presented an incorrect ground to underside clearance. Oops.

I've only just started reading his book, as you say it's a good read.

 

[Petrol Pete]

I think, but could be wrong, that on a yellow a light comes on in each car to indicate what flag is being waved.

It does , and the 360' camera on LH car 44 shows him driving past the yellow light on the track side with his car still accelerating. Thats the proof they used to give the penalty.

 

[Dryce]

PS. Did anyone miss the crowds?

At the end ... definitely. No atmosphere.

But not during the race.

 

[zipdip]

Did not miss the crowds,even on the grid it was no loss not to see all the great and good, the hangers on and the mass of tv crews all fighting to geta interview so for me this time spent without spectators is ok.

 

[bob6600]

Looks like Alonso might be coming back, announcement due tomorrow

Fernando Alonso to return to F1 with Renault for 2021 season

Announcement confirming news expected on Wednesday; Alonso will partner Esteban Ocon in third different stint driving for Renault

www.skysports.com

Ferrari should also have some upgrades this weekend - these were planned for race 3 but have been fast tracked

Ferrari to fast-track F1 upgrades for Styrian GP - but no straight-line fix

Ferrari to speed up introduction of new aerodynamic package, but say theyre losing up to 0.8s on straights; No engine upgrade soon

www.skysports.com

 

[Nat]

It'll be interesting if he does.

Won't that limit SV for a seat for 2021?

 

[bob6600]

It'll be interesting if he does.

Won't that limit SV for a seat for 2021?

From Seb's recent comments about wanting to go to a team that 'suits him', I am thinking he is holding out for Mercedes, even if he has to sit out for a year

 

[artyman]

I heard on the news that Fernando is returning in 2021 and going to Renault

 

[GeeJayW]

I heard on the news that Fernando is returning in 2021 and going to Renault

#596...

Looks that way and could well explain why Riciardo is off, i.e. doesn't want to be Alonso's 'team mate'....