Formula 1 2020 (Will Contain Race Day Spoilers)

[Deleted member 150136]

If a member of your family or a friend was involved in an accident that was 100% their fault I’m sure you’d be somewhat relieved that they survived relatively unscathed and give them a hero’s welcome home.

Joe public and fans alike take sport stars, celebrities and the like into their hearts. It’s Human nature.

So from that, I read that you agree it was Grosjeans fault.

What if he had injured another driver or marshall?

What would your thoughts be then?

And no, not a heros welcome at all, a very muted but a very happy and grateful welcome that they are OK...as I previously stated.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

So from that, I read that you agree it was Grosjeans fault.

What if he had injured another driver or marshall?

What would your thoughts be then?

And no, not a heros welcome at all, a very muted but a very happy and grateful welcome that they are OK...as I previously stated.

I suspect it was caused by cutting across DK but I’m no race steward. Let’s see just what the result of the investigation is before we judge.

what if...............? You can say that about every lap of every race of every year. Might as well stop racing just in case?

I’m not excusing RG at all. I’m just trying to justify everyone’s reaction from a compassionate POV.

 

[Deleted member 150136]

I've been compassionate?

Grosjean has a very bad reputation, especially of first lap incidents.

Why is he a hero this time?

 

[Deleted member 113659]

I've been compassionate?

Grosjean has a very bad reputation, especially of first lap incidents.

Why is he a hero this time?

Ok.

 

[Deleted member 150136]

If a member of your family or a friend

what if...............? You can say that about every lap of every race of every year. Might as well stop racing just in case?

Play fair

 

[glojo]

Too early to start pointing fingers and with hind-sight can we say other F1 fatalities were down to driver error and no, I am not (oops used capitals) going to name names. Thank goodness Grosjean survived and hats off to him for thanking those that risked crossing the track to save his life. I just thought it wrong for the many pundits that criticised those very brave marshalls but hey, they are the experts.

 

[grober]

A mass of high powered wide-winged exposed wheel/tyre combo single seaters suddenly all try to competitively fit into a relatively small stretch of tarmac at well over 100mph ---what could possibly go wrong in that scenario? * ANSWERS ON A POSTCARD TO THE FIA.

* I would offer that at present collisions are almost inevitable no matter how good or bad the drivers are because with todays cars/ track design the odds are stacked against at least one or two [ major/minor] collisions on the first lap after the start.

 

[glojo]

A mass of high powered wide-winged exposed wheel/tyre combo single seaters suddenly all try to competitively fit into a relatively small stretch of tarmac at well over 100mph ---what could possibly go wrong in that scenario? * ANSWERS ON A POSTCARD TO THE FIA.

* I would offer that at present collisions are almost inevitable no matter how good or bad the drivers are because with todays cars/ tracks the odds are stacked against at least one or two [ major/minor] collisions on the first lap after the start.

Hi Grober, You say wise words as usual, but as the saying goes... Points are only awarded at the end of the race and...... You cannot win a race on the first lap, but you can certainly lose it. The snag as you are rightly pointing out is that these are wide vehicles and if a driver gives an inch, will they be criticised by those that judge them?

sadly we can all name drivers who are more likely to be involved in a collision and look at Daniel Ricardo, he starts in amongst other drivers but very rarely gets involved in first lap collisions and yes, neither do the Ferrari drivers

 

[Deleted member 150136]

Grosjean is probably the most criticised driver on this topic, until Sunday, when he escaped what could easily have been a fatal accident.

I dont see who else the 'finger' can be pointed at?

And in no way shape or form am I saying Grosjean was reckless or on a crazy mission, just being careless, no bad intent on his part.

But why has/did he become driver of the day and getting heros welcomes? I don't understand that.

Yes I understand how grateful we all are to the FIA etc for bringing safety measures in and making possible for him to walk away relatively unscathed, thats fantastic. Its fanastic that he is still here to thank the FIA. It brought joy to my heart when I saw him climbing out and walking away from the car.

I just don't think he was driver of the day(others had a much better race) and I also feel others did way more heroic things than him( the marshall behind the barrier who scarpered when a missile exploded meters away from him, then instantly ran back with his extinguisher to help save a live, can't recall his name?)

All my opinion obviously

 

[glojo]

Grosjean is probably the most criticised driver on this topic, until Sunday, when he escaped what could easily have been a fatal accident.

I dont see who else the 'finger' can be pointed at?

And in no way shape or form am I saying Grosjean was reckless or on a crazy mission, just being careless, no bad intent on his part.

But why has/did he become driver of the day and getting heros welcomes? I don't understand that.

Yes I understand how grateful we all are to the FIA etc for bringing safety measures in and making possible for him to walk away relatively unscathed, thats fantastic. Its fanastic that he is still here to thank the FIA. It brought joy to my heart when I saw him climbing out and walking away from the car.

I just don't think he was driver of the day(others had a much better race) and I also feel others did way more heroic things than him( the marshall behind the barrier who scarpered when a missile exploded meters away from him, then instantly ran back with his extinguisher to help save a live, can't recall his name?)

All my opinion obviously

My thoughts are that you do indeed make some valid points, but judging before we are aware of the facts might be a little harsh.

Have you seen the footage of the debris heading toward Grosjean nearside front wheel? I am not suggesting this was why he swerved, I am merely pointing out that debris might have been a contributory cause.

Another question I ask myself.... Has that steering angle been induced, it is something done deliberately, was it as a result of seeing that debris? All questions I ask myself and dumb old me is unable to answer.

To make Grosjean the driver of the day is in my personal opinion a mockery, but.... A significant number of folks disagree. I also regularly disagree with making the driver of the day someone who has the fastest performing car, finished top in all practices qualifying and the race. (unless it was in a Renault McLaren etc etc.) Let's start looking at drivers that are possibly wringing the neck out of their car or getting more than they should out of that vehicle, but hey ho, life goes on and thankfully it goes on for Grosjean whose style of racing is not to my particular taste.

 

[Petrol Pete]

I too was happy to see RG walk away from that smash, I couldn't believe he survived , never mind walk away. I also couldn't believe he was voted driver of the day ?? The results actually show he did not complete one lap , so you could say he didn't race that day.

No one is going to forget this incident any time soon but a pub quiz question 20 years from now (that's if there are any pubs left by then) "Which F1 driver was voted driver of the day despite not completing one racing lap that day ?" might cause some head scratching.

 

[pmcgsmurf]

I did wonder if we would have seen an FIA message popping up saying, "Car 8 under investigation, causing a collision".

 

[Dryce]

I too was happy to see RG walk away from that smash, I couldn't believe he survived , never mind walk away. I also couldn't believe he was voted driver of the day ?? The results actually show he did not complete one lap , so you could say he didn't race that day.

It was emotional.

I watched the highlights but alrady knew there had been a incident and that he was OK. It was still hard to watch it unfold in the highlights. For those watching live ? Worse. There's quite a rebound after you see he is out of the car.

 

[st13phil]

I don't think anybody expected MB to advance the way they did.

A friend of mine worked for them at Brackley until very recently. He'd worked there for a number of years under the previous owners (Brawn, Honda, BAR, etc.).

I remember discussing with him at the time when it was announced that Hamilton had signed with Mercedes and saying it looked a bit odd. He said (words to the effect), "Just wait and see. We have are about to make a step change in performance", and he was right.

When Mercedes first purchased the team the setup was a bit odd. They bought the team but intended that sponsors should cover the running costs. From that respect they were sort of in F1, but not in it and the results were mediocre to say the least. Then they had a change of heart and started investing heavily with the clear intention of winning. The real game-change was the turbo-hybrid engine and they were 100% convinced, even before they raced it, that they had a winner.

So while it's true that many outside the organisation didn't expect MB to advance the way they did, there was both a viable plan and a huge commitment inside the organisation to do exactly that.

 

[Stratman]

Have any other engines manufacturers cracked the split turbo in the way MB have?

 

[190]

So far Russell faster than Bottas in 1st practice.

 

[zipdip]

Well VB is losing the plot lock ups all over the place our George is fastest in first practice at the moment,VB is 4th at the moment,this track is crazy a lap time of 54secs,with lots of long straights,you wonder what will happen when the top cars meet the slower cars after very few laps,I can see back markers being lapped lots of times.

 

[Rpp999]

Well done George.

 

[glojo]

So far Russell faster than Bottas in 1st practice.

Russell is not the shortest driver on the grid so I wonder how easily he fits into that car. If Russell ends up faster than Bottas.... and Bottas on a good day can beat Hamilton

 

[bob6600]

Russell has had to wear size 10 boots rather than size 11s to fit in the car. Bottas couldn't get the car set up to his liking but that doesn't take anything away from Russell who topped FP1 on his first outing. It may be the best car but on a short circuit the gaps will be smaller. I hope he at least gets a podium this weekend