Does the W210 has the Valeo radiator?
gearbox problems zizzing lost drive
Does the W210 has the Valeo radiator?
I'm not sure, but I'd be tempted to check first whether a Valeo rad is/isn't fitted, and/or a Glycol test before swapping it over.
Certainly doesn't seem to be a common issue on W210s, I can't recall any threads personally.
Will
I would second this advice Lynall. You may yet need the money for a box rebuild. I would be gobsmacked if the box survives this without some sort of problem in the near future.
You could always sell the car........
Well i think i am going to take your advice ref the rad, cut open the original filter last night not a pretty sight
Going to stick another one in today and some more oil then one more next week.
Weird thing is the box is changing really smooth and im also geting another 1 mpg
Trust me i thought about getting rid of the old girl but even though i curse it a lot i actually quite like it, problem is a new box and t/c are almost half the value of the car maybe even more.
Annoying thing is i look after my cars frequent oils etc and have never had a major mechanical failure ever until now.
Lynall
Going to stick another one in today and some more oil then one more next week.
Weird thing is the box is changing really smooth and im also geting another 1 mpg
Trust me i thought about getting rid of the old girl but even though i curse it a lot i actually quite like it, problem is a new box and t/c are almost half the value of the car maybe even more.
Annoying thing is i look after my cars frequent oils etc and have never had a major mechanical failure ever until now.
Lynall
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Buggerlugs
Active Member
Lynall, that reddish/orange material in the filter looks like torque converter clutch friction material and I've seen quite a bit of the stuff. Usually that's caused by a rad crossleak, but it can also be a spurious TCC failure. The point is, if that is TCC material, eventually when it all finally sheds, it'll be running metal to metal......I reckon you're on a short amount o' borrowed time m8.
Thanks for that info i didnt realise the tc had clutch plates in it.
I was thinking it was clutch plate material from the gearbox, or is that a different colour ?.
Now wife tells me she thought her gearbox had a couple of funny moments today!
Lynall
I was thinking it was clutch plate material from the gearbox, or is that a different colour ?.
Now wife tells me she thought her gearbox had a couple of funny moments today!
Lynall
Buggerlugs
Active Member
Yea it is a different color, when the clutch linings in the main gearbox go you would normally end up with either simply black oil and a black/grey sludge in the bottom of the oil pan or dark brown shavings a bit like dark brown shaved parmesan, err.....see?
The TCC on the other hand has a more sintered construction as it's only a single plate and therefore needs more volume in the lining material, if you still have it, rub the debris from the filter between your fingers, you'll find it has a light "gritty" texture.
The TCC on the other hand has a more sintered construction as it's only a single plate and therefore needs more volume in the lining material, if you still have it, rub the debris from the filter between your fingers, you'll find it has a light "gritty" texture.
Well i think i am going to take your advice ref the rad, cut open the original filter last night not a pretty sight
Going to stick another one in today and some more oil then one more next week.
Out of interest how's the gearbox behaving since the new oil and filter?
Ok so far defo needs at least a torque convertor, still deciding on what to do ie keep it or bin it
I've sadly owned too many cars where I've had to make that decision.
Maybe I should stop being tight and buy better more expensive cars?
Your car sounds like more of a work horse than anything else, so how about a s/h TC from a scrapped car to keep on the road for another year?
Well i have bitten the bullet and its going in for a refurb on the box and the convertor on Monday.
Interesting thing is they are almost 100% the fault is glycol issue, so they always mod the rad on any merc they do by fitting a small oil cooler so there is on connection between engine and trans.
Got price from boss and then spoke to his fitter next day and he was telling me they have never had any merc back after they have done a full refurb, so hopefully hes not telling prokies
I have a sample of the original oil so will ask them to test it just out of curio.
Still running okayish but very sluggish to respond to light pressure on the accelerator, nothing nothing then pow your gone.
Lynall
Interesting thing is they are almost 100% the fault is glycol issue, so they always mod the rad on any merc they do by fitting a small oil cooler so there is on connection between engine and trans.
Got price from boss and then spoke to his fitter next day and he was telling me they have never had any merc back after they have done a full refurb, so hopefully hes not telling prokies
I have a sample of the original oil so will ask them to test it just out of curio.
Still running okayish but very sluggish to respond to light pressure on the accelerator, nothing nothing then pow your gone
.Lynall
andymerc
Active Member
Hi Lynall
Not come across a 210 with glycol issue manly 211, check if you have valeo radiator as they were the promblem rads.Good idea to get oil tested ,suspect torque converter lock up clutch at fault blocks filter.
thanks andy
Not come across a 210 with glycol issue manly 211, check if you have valeo radiator as they were the promblem rads.Good idea to get oil tested ,suspect torque converter lock up clutch at fault blocks filter.
thanks andy
Well picked it up today
As Andymerc and Olly said it was not glycol contamination t/c has had a major paddy and spat its dummy out, he showed me old t/c and it had turned blue through heat he reckons never seen this on a mb but does see it on chryslers which i thought had mb engines and boxs
Also reckoned clutch plates in box were shagged.
Drives okay only done 10 miles so far.
Still im pleased it back but i still feel i should have part excahanged it for another discovery
Lynall
As Andymerc and Olly said it was not glycol contamination t/c has had a major paddy and spat its dummy out, he showed me old t/c and it had turned blue through heat
he reckons never seen this on a mb but does see it on chryslers which i thought had mb engines and boxsAlso reckoned clutch plates in box were shagged.
Drives okay only done 10 miles so far.
Still im pleased it back but i still feel i should have part excahanged it for another discovery
Lynall
£1400, was £1500 but he knew where i worked just up the road from him so gave me £100 off, he was also a bit quiet.
Reckoned he had had cars sitting there for weeks that he had repaired and they hadnt been collected, i commented they probably havent got the money to pay for them, he said tell me about it that freelander has been there for 6 weeks.
Also said renaults are the worst auto gearboxs going and he does loads of them.
Just to prove the point the day i picked my car up 2 renaults came in on a recovery truck.
Lynall
Reckoned he had had cars sitting there for weeks that he had repaired and they hadnt been collected, i commented they probably havent got the money to pay for them, he said tell me about it that freelander has been there for 6 weeks.
Also said renaults are the worst auto gearboxs going and he does loads of them.
Just to prove the point the day i picked my car up 2 renaults came in on a recovery truck.
Lynall
