how rubbish is a hummer?

[rlowy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmaNeNZEtHI&mode=related&search=

These ones look a bit tougher!

 

[rlowy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv7Fo8Cnk2o&mode=related&search=

....but then this says it all.

 

[glojo]

Couldnt think of a time when the Landy couldnt

Land Rover every time....:bannana:

If your saying that the Landrover is now a better vehicle than its Japanese opposition then the Landrover must have improved beyond recognition. What a shame the marque is now up for sale.

PLEASE do NOT think I doubt your assessment, I have not driven a Landrover for a number of years, so have NO opinion either way regarding the latest vehicles..

Regards
John

 

[recycled]

Couldnt think of a time when the Landy couldnt

Land Rover every time....:bannana:

Well there is a saying down under.
If you want to go to the outback take a land rover.
If you want to come back alive take a land cruiser

 

[scotth_uk]

Well there is a saying down under.
If you want to go to the outback take a land rover.
If you want to come back alive take a land cruiser

This is certainly my line of thinking. I take LRs very seriously, but I don't believe that they are known for their reliability, build quality or comfort. Any recent proper Land Cruiser would be my choice every time.

 

[grober]

Design features influencing off roading prowess.
1. nature of four wheel drive system-lockable diffs etc.
2.ground clearance and approach angles
3.suspension articulation
4.overall vehicle weight
5. power to weight ratio of power plant/ fuel/torque characteristics
6. tyres/tyres/tyres tubed of course.
7. general vehicle durability/ electrics /position of air intakes/filters etc.
8.chassis tortional stiffness/body structure

I have no idea how the various Hummers measure up? but I suspect that in common with lots of 4x4 straight out of the showroom they will fall short on several counts.

 

[chrisslk]

If your saying that the Landrover is now a better vehicle than its Japanese opposition then the Landrover must have improved beyond recognition. What a shame the marque is now up for sale.

PLEASE do NOT think I doubt your assessment, I have not driven a Landrover for a number of years, so have NO opinion either way regarding the latest vehicles..

Regards
John

Have no fears John, its not a contest in doubting either persons views and i respect yours fully. True its a shame the marque is up for sale, the same as Jag (who are building one of the nicest cars - XK series on the road).

Fortunate for me i spent 3 years in Saudi instructing off road driving, sand dune bashing and general surviving in the deserts. Thoroughly enjoyed the LC, as its off road capability were as good as its on road. Bells and whilstles as standard and admitadly a far more comfy ride than the Defender and Disco. It just comes down to personal choice as always, mine being the Defender and not the Disco

Funniest thing, was asked to test drive the Ford Maverick a replacement for our dwindling fleet of Explorers and Expeditions. Shocking !!! But nice to drive on road, pants off

 

[glojo]

Thoroughly enjoyed the LC, as its off road capability were as good as its on road. Bells and whilstles as standard and admitadly a far more comfy ride than the Defender and Disco. It just comes down to personal choice as always, mine being the Defender and not the Disco

During my time of driving Landrovers their off road capabilities were excellent for what they were and compared with any other brand, BUT................ The reliability, was at best non existent, and at worse diabolical. The bells and whistle upper end Range Rover was just a waste of space (never tried the Discovery) I am talking off road, Middle East conditions, but even the on road high speed reliability of the Range Rover was terrible. Sorry to be so negative and as stated earlier, it has been many years since I drove any of the Land Rover range so my comments might well be out of date.

John

 

[chrisslk]

During my time of driving Landrovers their off road capabilities were excellent for what they were and compared with any other brand, BUT................ The reliability, was at best non existent, and at worse diabolical. The bells and whistle upper end Range Rover was just a waste of space (never tried the Discovery) I am talking off road, Middle East conditions, but even the on road high speed reliability of the Range Rover was terrible. Sorry to be so negative and as stated earlier, it has been many years since I drove any of the Land Rover range so my comments might well be out of date.

John

Absolutely right John, if your talking Range Rover then i am not too sure. I did recently test drive the Sport version - diesel. Lovely bells and whistles but not too taken with the drive. Anyone driven indeed owned the Lexus or howabout the ML ? How do they compare for off road suitability.

 

[glojo]

. Anyone driven indeed owned the Lexus or howabout the ML ? How do they compare for off road suitability.

When I look at the US military Hummer I just cringe at it's awful size! I don't doubt its off road capabilities but....... (I'm at it again ) How on earth does it manage to negotiate narrow lanes, the small villages and no doubt the million and one other circumstances we can all throw into the pot. For the smaller 4x4 vehicle I have always been a fan of the Unimog or of course the G class, but they come at a price, but what price do we put on reliability?

Our military only need to say what they need and they will have it!

Trust me, I'm a politician.

John

 

[miro]

http://www.guzer.com/videos/hummer_break.php

Maybe they need a hilux in iraq

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_sep2005/Hummer.htm

Its amazing how some guys look at fake breasts and imagine how much better they are than real ones which are smaller. Now you know the market into which these cars are sold.

 

[recycled]

They do not even look tough, they just look like bullies.
Arctic trucks, those look tough and are tough. wonder why they do not use hummers, or do they?

 

[miro]

They do not even look tough, they just look like bullies.
Arctic trucks, those look tough and are tough. wonder why they do not use hummers, or do they?

The Americans seem to forget that G-wagons are the bare minimum in 4x4. Then comes Unimog and the rest. I think if Germany were allowed to deploy a full army they would be awe struck with the levels of equipment.

But we all know that the USA Military is so good at diverting funds that an ashtray costs $500. So what can you expect for the price.

 

[recycled]

Agree the germans have some awesome technology,but when it comes to motorsports, i can't help thinking we are still the best in the world.
I mean rallycars, F1 ,champ cars apart from this season, almost every sport car is built in britain or designed by a british guy

 

[glojo]

Agree the germans have some awesome technology,but when it comes to motorsports, i can't help thinking we are still the best in the world.
I mean rallycars, F1 ,champ cars apart from this season, almost every sport car is built in britain or designed by a british guy

Dunno about that? Audi, Porsche, Renault, BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari then Japanese with their motor bikes, plus Ducati. Many, many years ago when I was a child, every year there used to be an annual military competition where military trucks would negotiate the Army testing grounds. Great entertainment watching all different types of Army vehicles, but one year they invited the Germans to compete . Mega, mega mistake. It is far easier to say you have the best equipment, rather than proving you have the best. I'm sure there might have been a British class of vehicle that was better, but I cannot recall seeing it.

I think that Great Britain is up on the cutting edge of Formula 1, but perhaps there are other motor sports where we might be able to learn a great deal?

Regards
John

 

[recycled]

Well the renault motorsports division apart from the GP2 is based in britain,
all champ cars except for this season were lolas made in britain,engine wise probably not but the cars themselves ,i think GB is up there.
Not too keen on bikes, that is a japanese territory.
All porsche wins in F1 was with mclaren. when they switched teams ,did not do too well.
Bmw did better with williams than they are doing now IMHO,
and the engines in mclaren are really ilmor which are british

 

[glojo]

Well the renault motorsports division apart from the GP2 is based in britain,
all champ cars except for this season were lolas made in britain,engine wise probably not but the cars themselves ,i think GB is up there.
Not too keen on bikes, that is a japanese territory.
All porsche wins in F1 was with mclaren. when they switched teams ,did not do too well.
Bmw did better with williams than they are doing now IMHO

I get the impression your motorsport sstatement might actually be referring to just one formula?

Regards
John

 

[nick mercedes]

I get the impression your motorsport sstatement might actually be referring to just one formula?

http://www.prodrive.com/

http://www.m-sport.co.uk/

 

[prprandall51]

Getting back to the original aspect of this thread - it just looks like a tie rod has snapped to me, not the axle.

Furthermore, those are not insignificant rocks that vehicle is climbing over.

I am no fan of the hummer (LR all the way for me) but I wouldn't blame it for breaking on those rocks. Mind you, it was probably its own weight that was the problem. And you have to factor in two fat americans in the cab. Heavy.

Philip

 

[Satch]

Couldnt think of a time when the Landy couldnt

Land Rover every time....:bannana:

Having driven both Landy's and Land Cruisers on and off road for years, the difference in off road performance is for the most part indistinguishable apart from in low speed work in hot weather. Land Rovers had a boring trend towards overheating. Also prone to seepage of fluids.

For really tough off road work Land Rovers do have the edge but people who do serious off roading mod them in many ways and it is possible to do the same to a Land Cruiser.

So what is held to be the difference between a Defender and a Land Cruiser? (not the Amazon which is more like a Range Rover)

Easy: Land Rovers drive as, well, old style off roaders, are not terribly pleasant on road and were best described as "functional". But Land Cruisers functioned just as well in 99% of situations, were undoubtedly more reliable and being more pleasant inside did not require that considerable air of grim stoicism that eventually oozed out the pores of all Landy owners.

BUT the latest generation of Defenders are damn good, because the influence of Ford has finally shown through and whilst retaining all traditional values they are now just nicer vehicles to be in and (hopefully) more reliable.