Idiotic copper

[maska]

Enough Said !!

 

[markjay]

Cars' speedometers can not be accurate due to small changes in the wheels' circumference as result of make and model differences, tyre wear, and tyre inflation pressures.

The driver is responsible for maintaining correct speed.

If you wish to claim that you were speeding unwittingly because the manufacturer-fitted speedometer under-read your speed, you should take your vehicle to an accredited expert in instrument calibration and have them test the vehicle and produce a report showing that the car's speedometer was indeed under-reading.

If you then produce the report in court you will probably get away with it.

The GPS speed is irrelevant in this context.

 

[Lord-WYBMAnE220]

Cars' speedometers can not be accurate due to small changes in the wheels' circumference as result of make and model differences, tyre wear, and tyre inflation pressures.

The driver is responsible for maintaining correct speed.

If you wish to claim that you were speeding unwittingly because the manufacturer-fitted speedometer under-read your speed, you should take your vehicle to an accredited expert in instrument calibration and have them test the vehicle and produce a report showing that the car's speedometer was indeed under-reading.

Sure, but you'd have to show strong evidence that the speedo was wildly inaccurate, along with the degree of that inaccuracy ... ie - what speed the car would ACTUALLY have been travelling - before the court would possibly entertain it as an admissable defence (or mitigation).

 

[219]

Apart from that , most vehicle speedometers over read ( that is they indicate a speed higher than the actual speed ) precisely so that a driver does not unwittingly find himself going faster than he thinks he is .

IIRC the legally permitted error is +10% , -0%

 

[markjay]

Sure, but you'd have to show strong evidence that the speedo was wildly inaccurate, along with the degree of that inaccuracy ... ie - what speed the car would ACTUALLY have been travelling - before the court would possibly entertain it as an admisable defence (or mitigation).

Correct, I was speaking hypothetically.

I.e. this is what one should do to dispute the case...

Of course the speedo has to actually be under reading which as you say is very unlikely.

So in reality speedo inaccuracy is NOT a valid defence in most cases.

 

[babyblueCE]

The problem with this is now the Police will be enforcing people hogging the middle lane (cruising lane) with fines. Having recently read the news i believe i was in the wrong by "cruising" in the middle lane. Appealing this wouldn't come to anything as i had no witnesses neither did the police officer. So its my word against his. Even though he broke around 5 laws himself just to get to me!!!

 

[Lord-WYBMAnE220]

The problem with this is now the Police will be enforcing people hogging the middle lane (cruising lane) with fines. Having recently read the news i believe i was in the wrong by "cruising" in the middle lane. Appealing this wouldn't come to anything as i had no witnesses neither did the police officer. So its my word against his. Even though he broke around 5 laws himself just to get to me!!!

What made or makes you think that the middle (or any other) lane is for vehicles travelling at a particular speed ?
Or is this just a wind-up ?

 

[jotter22]

The problem with this is now the Police will be enforcing people hogging the middle lane (cruising lane) with fines. Having recently read the news i believe i was in the wrong by "cruising" in the middle lane. Appealing this wouldn't come to anything as i had no witnesses neither did the police officer. So its my word against his. Even though he broke around 5 laws himself just to get to me!!!

That is just the attitude that has made these new laws necessary!
Why not cruise in the inside lane?

Tony.

 

[Lord-WYBMAnE220]

Or is this just a wind-up ?

If this isn't a wind-up, it may be the reason why lane-hogging is so prevalent.
And if so, makes it all the more necessary that a motorway test be introduced - either as a separate test or part of a combined one.

That said, I simply cannot believe that anyone who's passed a driving test could actually believe that certain lanes are for certain speeds.

If lane-hogging behaviour is based on this appalling misconception, perhaps offenders should be forced to resit their driving test.
It's quite shocking that anyone could be lacking common sense to this extent.

 

[vito stan]

The problem with this is now the Police will be enforcing people hogging the middle lane (cruising lane) with fines. Having recently read the news i believe i was in the wrong by "cruising" in the middle lane. Appealing this wouldn't come to anything as i had no witnesses neither did the police officer. So its my word against his. Even though he broke around 5 laws himself just to get to me!!!

Did you say there was video footage in his car.

 

[Lord-WYBMAnE220]

The problem with this is now the Police will be enforcing people hogging the middle lane (cruising lane) with fines. Having recently read the news i believe i was in the wrong by "cruising" in the middle lane. Appealing this wouldn't come to anything as i had no witnesses neither did the police officer. So its my word against his. Even though he broke around 5 laws himself just to get to me!!!

If you don't mind my asking, were you born in the UK ?
And if not, from where and when did you move here ?
Do you not find a lot of people flashing their headlights, cutting you up and gesticulating at you on the motorways ?

 

[Sp!ke]

If you don't mind my asking, were you born in the UK ?
And if not, from where and when did you move here ?
Do you not find a lot of people flashing their headlights, cutting you up and gesticulating at you on the motorways ?

Feeling a little uncomfortable with the line of questioning here...

I think I understand the direction you are heading but think you could better phrase the question.

 

[Lord-WYBMAnE220]

Feeling a little uncomfortable with the line of questioning here...

I think I understand the direction you are heading but think you could better phrase the question.

Asking that question is not racist or xenophobic, if that's what your drive is.
It's a little disappointing that the issue was even raised, TBH.

 

[lxi]

Feeling a little uncomfortable with the line of questioning here...

I think I understand the direction you are heading but think you could better phrase the question.

Perhaps the question might have been worded in a more circumspect way but I share the poster's curiosity - it's alarming to consider someone taught to drive in the UK could be so misinformed as to label the middle lane the "cruising lane"

 

[Sp!ke]

Asking that question is not racist or xenophobic, if that's what your drive is.
It's a little disappointing that the issue was even raised, TBH.

I'm not saying that it was, merely suggesting that it could be interpreted as such given the chosen use of words.

 

[bob6600]

it's alarming to consider someone taught to drive in the UK could be so misinformed as to label the middle lane the "cruising lane"

You would think so wouldn't you?

But then why do soooo many people do it?

When I overtake middle lane hoggers I usually have a glance to see who they are. They vary from all ages and walks of life, some young, some old, some with their families in the car etc etc so cannot put it down to just young inexperienced or any other group of drivers.

My personal theory is once people pass their driving test, very very few take motorway lessons (I actually don't know anyone who has taken them). They either get taught from other drivers (possible lane hoggers who tell them to stay in lane 2 or 3 as lane 1 is for slow moving vehicles or trucks) or just follow what others do (sit in lane 2).

Now if an 'experienced' driver tells you this is the way to drive on the motorway, why would you think different? I know it's written in the highway code but I bet no one refers to it once they have passed their test.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

Feeling a little uncomfortable with the line of questioning here...

I think I understand the direction you are heading but think you could better phrase the question.

It's a perfectly sensible question to ask, I once worked with a Californian that simply could not get his head around how a roundabout worked or why he couldn't just undertake everyone on the motorway that was holding him up.

At times it was pretty hilarious being in the passenger seat with him driving, "F*cking Limeys" was one of his favourite remarks...

 

[Lord-WYBMAnE220]

I'm not saying that it was, merely suggesting that it could be interpreted as such given the chosen use of words.

Doubtless someone looking for a fight could turn it into something - but they'd have to be pretty determined.

 

[flango]

It's a perfectly sensible question to ask, I once worked with a Californian that simply could not get his head around how a roundabout worked or why he couldn't just undertake everyone on the motorway that was holding him up.

At times it was pretty hilarious being in the passenger seat with him driving, "F*cking Limeys" was one of his favourite remarks...

Americans just don't get roundabouts at all or traffic circles or rotary's as they call them Still it's not as bad as the South Africans confused the hell out of me when they told me to turn right at the third robot

 

[brucemillar]

Drove from Watford to Maidstone tonight. M25, M26,M20. Left Watford at 20:00.

Assuming the new law not in place yet.

When does it come into force?