Dieselman
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As long as your bikes alright.....
As long as your bikes alright.....
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From experience, A&E tend to be quite hard on those with Motorcycle related injuries. (To the extent of introducing new injuries whilst under anesthetic for amusement)
I rarely have incidents anymore but the two things I've learnt over the years are:-
1. When you get knocked off, don't get up if its safe to stay down. This way the bloodthirsty rubberneckers come over for a closer look. When they do, grab them and don't let them go until you have their details for later witness evidence. Oh it also helps if you don't try and walk with broken bones.
2. Invent a suitable story for your injury other than motorcycling. Failure to do so may result in being whacked in the privates with a mallet while under the knife. (very common surgical accident for motorcyclists strangely)
I rarely have incidents anymore but the two things I've learnt over the years are:-
1. When you get knocked off, don't get up if its safe to stay down. This way the bloodthirsty rubberneckers come over for a closer look. When they do, grab them and don't let them go until you have their details for later witness evidence. Oh it also helps if you don't try and walk with broken bones.
2. Invent a suitable story for your injury other than motorcycling. Failure to do so may result in being whacked in the privates with a mallet while under the knife. (very common surgical accident for motorcyclists strangely)
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Spike
Are you sure they don't just know you...???
Are you sure they don't just know you...???
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Ade B
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Wine is gently kicking in, better than Nurofen - can't go to A&E as I've 3 meetings tomorrow and a fee proposal to get out - TBH given how little damage I've sustained I can't justify the pleasure of spending the night in a casualty waiting room in Croydon. Especially given their reputation for bike related injuries
If I wasn't self employed, there would be a week off work at least.
Ade
kjay
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If I wasn't self employed, there would be a week off work at least.
Ade
Thats the main reason I gave up Trialsing. I seem to have the knack of causing myself pretty nasty injuries by falling of at low speed! Useually off a small cliff.
Full respect to you guys that fall off at speed.
Spike,
what are you on? why would health professionals injure someone for amusement? do you realise how many people are in an operating room - not all of them presumably hate bikers enough to kick them in the nuts.
your number 1 i agree with BTW - good point well made.
what are you on? why would health professionals injure someone for amusement? do you realise how many people are in an operating room - not all of them presumably hate bikers enough to kick them in the nuts.
your number 1 i agree with BTW - good point well made.
Sp!ke
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Excuse me?
I'm trying to work out exactly what you are saying but whichever way I interpret it, its not good.
I'm not suggesting that health professionals do this out of hatred - more a sense of duty as if to say 'maybe that'll learn you'
Its common knowledge amongst the biking fraternity that you get better treatment for your injuries if they are not bike related. We get referred to as organ donors for heavens sake... they even put it on the whiteboard
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Ade B
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When I came off at Lydden, I got dropped off at Hackney Homerton A&E by my brother with a 50p sized hole in my knee and suspected broken ribs. Whilst it took 5 hours to go through the process, I was cleaned up, x rayed, stitched up and discharged in a friendly and reassuring manner.
My dressings had to be changed every few days at my local gp and my ribs weren't broken only bruised (although I have never experienced pain like that since - although given recent events, childbirth certainly seems worse )..
The NHS was brilliant given the self inflicted nature of my injuries and they kept telling me that I was sensible in wearing the full kit at the trackday (you have no choice)..
Hopefully I will never find out how it is to go through serious injuries with the NHS..
I read Spike's thread as he broke his leg and bashed his tackle on the fuel tank in the process of falling off...
Ade
My dressings had to be changed every few days at my local gp and my ribs weren't broken only bruised (although I have never experienced pain like that since - although given recent events, childbirth certainly seems worse
)..The NHS was brilliant given the self inflicted nature of my injuries and they kept telling me that I was sensible in wearing the full kit at the trackday (you have no choice)..
Hopefully I will never find out how it is to go through serious injuries with the NHS..
I read Spike's thread as he broke his leg and bashed his tackle on the fuel tank in the process of falling off...
Ade
Sp!ke
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What commonly happens with a broken fibula is they drill out the marrow of the bone and insert a titanium steel bar down the inside. Inserting this titanium bar is a little tricky. This is where they deploy the mallet.
Now on the back swing.....
Now on the back swing.....
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Ade B
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So sorry to hear the news having just read the post, enjoy the bath and I hope that you sleep well.
I'm not suggesting that health professionals do this out of hatred - more a sense of duty as if to say 'maybe that'll learn you'
Its common knowledge amongst the biking fraternity that you get better treatment for your injuries if they are not bike related. We get referred to as organ donors for heavens sake... they even put it on the whiteboard
maybe that'll learn you?? again I ask what are you on? the insinuation that health professionals would intentionally injure a patient further whilst under their duty of care is I find amazing.It would be against the hippocratic oath not to mention a criminal offence. i have been a member of the biking fraternity for a decade and never heard of this. I have been in A and E and had excellent treatment.
organ donors refers to the high incidence of brain death after cranial injury involved in biking RTA's but i think you knew that. it is not some code for "let's learn them".
Why should bikers get inferior treatment to sky divers, mountain bikers or rugby players? I think someone has been pulling your leg or you are pulling mine.....
Sp!ke
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I think you need to calm down a little. 
I dont need a lecture on what an organ donor is either. I was saying that I have been referred as one in A&E (just because I ride a bike).
You may well have experienced something completely different than I but I also know what I've witnessed. I also hear tales from doctors and nurses (yes I know quite a few) and this kind of practice is common place.
Keep wearing the blinkers if you wish but if the hypocratic oath meant anything then there wouldnt be restrictions on NHS drug treatment because of costs now would there?
I dont need a lecture on what an organ donor is either. I was saying that I have been referred as one in A&E (just because I ride a bike).
You may well have experienced something completely different than I but I also know what I've witnessed. I also hear tales from doctors and nurses (yes I know quite a few) and this kind of practice is common place.
Keep wearing the blinkers if you wish but if the hypocratic oath meant anything then there wouldnt be restrictions on NHS drug treatment because of costs now would there?
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very calm thanks just confused.
If you don't need educating on the genesis of the term organ donor then why field it in support of your "that'll learn them" method of treatment? it seems odd that you use the knowledge that the term is used in a benign (if vaguely insulting) way on hospital whiteboards to back up the theory that doctors and/or nurses are injuring people.[ On re-reading your posts it seems as if your personal experiences may have been around being termed an organ donor on a whiteboard. If this is your only complaint then ignore the stuff below this!]
you call this "commonplace". is there any evidence to support this? a whistleblower? a court case? a reprimand for a nurse or doctor? it seems very peculiar that this "treatment" should be handed to bikers and there be zero comeback?
what has been your experience?
how do your contacts in the medical profession justify it to you?
what is the purpose of injuring someone further - presumably when they have already been hurt enough to warrant anaesthetic?
how do the bikers know this has happened if they are under anaesthetic?
Have you ever thought about reporting it?
Why don't they?
do you not think this is at odds with the prevailing ethos of the NHS? however underfunded and embittered they might be they aren't out to hurt us surely?
sorry but your theory raises far more questions than answers...
If you don't need educating on the genesis of the term organ donor then why field it in support of your "that'll learn them" method of treatment? it seems odd that you use the knowledge that the term is used in a benign (if vaguely insulting) way on hospital whiteboards to back up the theory that doctors and/or nurses are injuring people.[ On re-reading your posts it seems as if your personal experiences may have been around being termed an organ donor on a whiteboard. If this is your only complaint then ignore the stuff below this!]
you call this "commonplace". is there any evidence to support this? a whistleblower? a court case? a reprimand for a nurse or doctor? it seems very peculiar that this "treatment" should be handed to bikers and there be zero comeback?
what has been your experience?
how do your contacts in the medical profession justify it to you?
what is the purpose of injuring someone further - presumably when they have already been hurt enough to warrant anaesthetic?
how do the bikers know this has happened if they are under anaesthetic?
Have you ever thought about reporting it?
Why don't they?
do you not think this is at odds with the prevailing ethos of the NHS? however underfunded and embittered they might be they aren't out to hurt us surely?
sorry but your theory raises far more questions than answers...
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Stuart O
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Glad to hear of your narrow escape - I still get the heeby jeebies when I think back to my big off a few years ago
- ditched the sports bike and now use 1150 GS adv - every bit as good and more fun at lower speeds !! - you be aching tomorrow for sure but you'll get over it
speedy recovery tho eh !!
Glad to hear of your narrow escape - I still get the heeby jeebies when I think back to my big off a few years ago
- ditched the sports bike and now use 1150 GS adv - every bit as good and more fun at lower speeds !! - you be aching tomorrow for sure but you'll get over it speedy recovery tho eh !!
robert.saunders
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Hi Ade, just stumbled over this (ahem) hope you're ok this morning, it hasn't put me off acquiring my ride
As for A&E treatment of riders, I think that a fair comment - I've heard the "organ donor" jibe before, albeit from a Traffic plod, in jest I'm sure I'm quite sure the NHS staff however have best interests at heart 
As for A&E treatment of riders, I think that a fair comment - I've heard the "organ donor" jibe before, albeit from a Traffic plod, in jest I'm sure
I'm quite sure the NHS staff however have best interests at heart Yep, femur too. Dislocate from hip, drill into ball (femur ball thankfully
) then bang in the titamium rod. In my case 16" long by 1/2" diameter.Sounds bad but it meant 3 weeks in hospital without plaster rather than 3 months plastered up.
Glad you're OK Ade. I've had many 'offs' over the years but gave up motorcycling 7 years ago (R1).
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Ade B
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Thanks for all the replies peeps.
This morning I'm remarkably ache free. In fact my right foot hurts most from dropping a barbecue on it on Sunday wearing flip flops
Just feel very very lucky as it could so easily have been so very different.. (titanium rods etc)
I'm off the bike until the insurance assessors do their thing, might retrieve my Vespa from its temporary North London home at the weekend, the CE is up north being fettled so I'm left with my Dad's grubby Omega Estate or a push bike as transport, will see how it goes.
Cheers
Ade
This morning I'm remarkably ache free. In fact my right foot hurts most from dropping a barbecue on it on Sunday wearing flip flops
Just feel very very lucky as it could so easily have been so very different.. (titanium rods etc
)I'm off the bike until the insurance assessors do their thing, might retrieve my Vespa from its temporary North London home at the weekend, the CE is up north being fettled so I'm left with my Dad's grubby Omega Estate or a push bike as transport, will see how it goes.
Cheers
Ade
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First time I've managed to get to post, so commiserations on what happenned. We've all (thought we had) anticipated a drivers actions only for them to start to pull out as we are literally in front of them. Sometimes it's one of those heart stopping moments, (for some, unfortunately, literally) and sometimes we get caught out.
I hope you and the bike are soon on the mend.
On a brighter note, my bike passed its MOT yesterday and I went for a nice ride.
There I knew that would brighten up your day
I hope you and the bike are soon on the mend.
On a brighter note, my bike passed its MOT yesterday and I went for a nice ride.
There I knew that would brighten up your day
