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Ade B.... Lok away now :o :o ;)

On a number of occasions I have remarked about the risks involved for bike riders that have young families and I feel this term ‘Organ Donors’ makes it the right time for me to explain myself.

For a number of years I was a volunteer advanced motor cycle instructor. I did this purely out of the love of motor cycling and the need to pass on my skills in the hope that it might save lives.

Riding a motor cycle quickly around a race circuit takes a high degree of skill, coupled to a certain degree of ‘madness’:o ;) ;) (I say that very much tongue in cheek and have enormous respect for the exponents of this sport) BUT…… In my personal opinion, the skills required for this occupation do not necessarily stand anyone in good stead when riding a bike on our busy highways and bye-ways.

To avoid becoming an ‘Organ Donor’ a bike rider needs to hone the skills of forward observation, anticipation, planning, positioning and what we term being defensive. I am NOT advocating having a man run in front of the bike with a red flag. I am all in favour of a motor-cyclist ‘making progress’ :devil: ;) (that is what makes an advanced riding course so enjoyable) but any biker that goes by a road junction at the same time as a vehicle is pulling out, should seriously consider attending an advanced riding course. Being in the right is no consolation as we knock on that pearly gate.

The most common words a horizontal bike rider will hear is probably, “Sorry, I never saw you” These words will engrave themselves on our brain but they are no consolation.

I spent eighteen (13 + 5) blooming weeks as an in-patient at the Rehab Centre of the Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital at Stanmore and I can assure everyone that patients are all treated equally, be they biker, trucker, farmer, fighter, black, pink, blue or private patient,

BUT what is very noticeable is the inordinate number of bikers compared to any other cause of injury. During my time the huge, huge majority of patients were bikers, and what sticks in my mind is the waste. The total, total waste (which might be the wrong word) The huge majority of bikers were young men who would never be able to be 100% fit ever again. Most of them had just started out in life, but their careers had ended before they started. I am not going to give examples of injuries as we can all imagine the horrendous examples that often arise from bike accidents, but I will say that a significant proportion of these casualties were the innocent victims and at night we would design trikes that would enable these severely disabled folks to get back some degree of independence.

It is this experience that makes me query whether being married with a young family and bike riding are conjusive?

Of course we can get run over when we cross the road, a plank might fall on our heads, BUT and this is a fact.; There is a disproportionate percentage of bike riding casualties, a high number of riders will inevitably become a statistic compared to any other road user.

Should we take this gamble when we have a beautiful young family to support?
Are we being selfish by taking this gamble? Or is there no other option? Are we convinced it will never happen to us?

I love biking and I consider our National Health staff to be extremely dedicated and they do not give a flying fig about anyone’s occupation or what form of transport they might have. The ‘Organ donor’ remark probably relates to the high occupancy rate at the local morgue by the biking fraternity.

Sorry for the long post .
and please take care out there :devil: ;)

Yours very sincerely
John
 
Well said Glojo. I have a young family and ride a bike in London a combination I take seriously I can tell you.

To be absolutely clear - I too have heard the term organ donor in reference to bikers and whilst I find it dismissive or derogatory - it is absolutely based in the reality of accidents and their effects on the unfortunate motorcyclists. For what its worth I've heard the exact same term in reference to pedal cyclists without helmets. Medics have a peculiar morbid sense of humour I guess.

What i have taken issue with is the other accusation made upthread by Sp!ke . One which i find troubling for any number of reasons. I hope that i have expressed myself clearly in this.
 
Its not an accusation at all. I have experienced it first hand and had it coo-berated many times over by other bikers and members of the medical profession alike.

Why not just call me a liar instead of thinly disguising it as you are?
 
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Thankfully the bike can be fixed, you can not so I'm pleased it was the bike which came off worst!! Damn women in Fiestas!!! ;)
 
Sp!ke I am not calling you or anyone else a liar.

I am not in that business. You have first hand experience of what would be a criminal injury case that any lawyer would love. You have first hand evidence supplied by medical professionals that at the very least would have them disbarred.

I am a biker. I live in London. I have had one 'off' that has necessitated hospital treatment and would be interested to know which A and E to avoid!

Surely you have information that can help others on what should be a friendly and open forum?

ps if there is another thread that i can go to then let me have it..haven't been here long enough to read everything.
 
To be absolutely clear - I too have heard the term organ donor in reference to bikers and whilst I find it dismissive or derogatory - it is absolutely based in the reality of accidents and their effects on the unfortunate motorcyclists. For what its worth I've heard the exact same term in reference to pedal cyclists without helmets. Medics have a peculiar morbid sense of humour I guess.
I am sure it is simply black humour which probably helps these folks face up to the carnage they witness day in, day out.

We are all human and to see these mutilated bodies laying on a slab MUST have some sort of effect.

having said that I think it way, way out of order for medical staff to randomly call a motorcyclist an 'Organ Donor'. That is wrong unless they know the person and have developed some kind of rapport and they are confident this remark will not cause offence.

One day I was minding my own business riding from Torquay to Newton Abbot when I was fortunately flagged down by a clearly distressed member of the public. The road just ahead of me was blocked by an horrendous accident. This incident was on a blind bend and there was no warning of it. (Who remembers my posts about stopping within the distance you can see to be safe :o).

A motorcyclist was negotiating a bend when he hit a patch of diesel. The bike slid from under him and he slid across the road. Fate dictated that his head went under the front wheel of a long wheelbase Landrover :o :o :o

I won't go into details because the circumstances were too gory, but two medics were working extremely hard to fetch this poor devil back to life but were never going to win this lost battle.

I subsequently read that this young man was on the way home from visiting his wife who had just given birth to their first child!

I can still see the medics using pegs in an attempt to stop the bleeding. These guys worked their socks off trying to preserve life and for anyone to suggest bikers get a second-rate service is talking pure bunk-um. BUT I can only speak from my personal experiences here in South Devon and up at Stanmore.

Has anyone actually said they get treated differently?

Whilst at Stanmore I developed a great friendship with at least one real, unadulterated Hells Angel, and also a very pleasant, tall ballerina who was a private patient. We all had the same physiotherapist and received exactly the same treatment. No preferential treatment apart from the food :o :o :devil: :)

Regards
John
 
Reading this thread (and I hope Ade B is okay), maybe I wont get another bike:(
 
But the Hells angel was used to biting heads off live pigeons...
:devil: :D The ballerina had food. We had something else ;)

I just saw the relevant paragraph that has annoyed Biscuit and that has definitely NOT been my experience.

A & E deal with drunks, murderers, paedophiles, estate agents, journalists :devil: :devil: :devil: etc etc I would assume some bikers might fall into those categories, but don't forget para-medics, doctors, saints, nuns and nurses might ride bikes:D (All tongue in cheek and I have no idea whose cheek:o )
 
From experience, A&E tend to be quite hard on those with Motorcycle related injuries. (To the extent of introducing new injuries whilst under anesthetic for amusement)

Invent a suitable story for your injury other than motorcycling. Failure to do so may result in being whacked in the privates with a mallet while under the knife. (very common surgical accident for motorcyclists strangely) :eek:

It was this. I find this at odds with any experience I have had with the NHS, motorbike related or not. I have asked Sp!ke for more details.....
 
It was this. I find this at odds with any experience I have had with the NHS, motorbike related or not. I have asked Sp!ke for more details.....
Me thinks we should celebrate Ade's good fortune and perhaps consider a new generalised biking thread :)

Regards
John
 
Just read this thread -- hope you're not too sore this morning..

Sp!ke - on the subject or organ donors -- just keep drinking and taking the pills and no-one will ever want your organs... well not in the medical sense..:D The last time I offered to donate an organ - in university - I got a slap

Have a good friend who is a Dr in the Navy -- down in Plymouth - he is a very caring person BUT will often crack some awful things about his patients (no names etc) I think it is said sometimes just to keep his sanity when dealing with awful situations - not meant personally..:bannana:
 
Ade.

Glad to hear you've survived relatively intact - currently up to 2 falls in 9 years, so must be doing something right. I think the new bike might have something to do with it...

R1200GSA - about the same size as a supertanker - check
Multiple (properly adjusted) lights - check
Fruity Micron can for audible presence - check
Very large rider with eyebleeding urban camo jacket - check

On second analysis, no wonder people keep getting out of the way, they probably think Valhalla has just arrived on their doorstep :D
 
Let's be clear, I have never said Bikers get second rate medical treatment. Differently treated, for sure, but there is a distinct difference between the two.

Reiterating a request for more details when I have spelt it out very clearly in the thread already (read the bit about the mallet) If there is any detail that you don't understand then feel free to ask but don't pretend I haven't given you a very precise example.

As for criminal cases... I'm no lawyer but what possible case would you have based upon possible bruised privates and a doctor saying (best case) oops, we must have slipped with the mallet - accidents happen. It is a bruise... when a broken leg pays you only £4k after a long and drawn out 6 year claim what would one hope to get for a bruise, 75 pence? Why would anyone even bother with a claim of such triviality?

I have had maybe 50 yes, fifty visits to A&E for various injuries over the years. I am distinctly aware of the differing attitudes and response depending on the understanding of the cause of the accident. (Maybe my medical history has some effect here). It is like night and day, depending on the cause of the injury in exactly the same way as I get treated differently by the police depending on whether I am driving or riding. Despite what you think you know or would like to think, doctors are human and whether deliberately or unintentionally they react differently based upon the circumstances.

Agree to disagree with me is one thing, but to attempt to dismiss me as being delusional without even entertaining the notion that it is a possibility is both insulting and obtuse.

FWIW, I no longer visit an NHS A&E, For as low as £30 I can go to a private A&E and get seen by a proper doctor within 10 minutes guaranteed. (Why can't the NHS do that if it can be done with less funding in the private sector?)
 
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Had a brush with the tarmac today on the Brixton road... my bike came together with a ford fiesta van and I feel quite lucky to be back in the office typing this...



The most bizarre thing (which has happened to me before in extreme situations) is that whilst people were asking if I was OK, I was more concerned about checking my bike and laptop for damage. The human brain is a wonderful instrument..:D

I

Ade

Biker runs into blind car driver... blah blah blah..
Some injuries sustained, ignores mallet therapy.... yadder yadder yadder...
Contacts police with details of witnesses... and so on...yawn yawn...


GET TO THE POINT ADE!!! :devil: Did your laptop survive and is the bike rideable or least repairable.


Glad to hear you got away with it and looking forward to your future posts regarding the poor public transport system.:D

From a fellow leather clad 'Organ Donor'.:rock:
 
I frequent A&E a lot less now. :o

When I hit my thirties, it dawned on me that I wasn't actually superhuman and I could not bounce as well as I used to without breaking important parts of my anatomy. The healing of which took months not weeks and slowly I developed a healthy sense of danger and a very defensive riding technique to go with it.

I haven't even had a scary moment in at least the last 8-9 years of road riding let alone falling off or being it by something. Everything is anticipated, the worst case is always assumed and I aim to expect the unexpected. Since riding in this manner (which still can be pretty spirited riding), nothing has yet to surprise me or catch me out.

Works for me anyway.
 

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