Jag XF

[gary350]

Which model E class, engine, reg, mileage and age do you have? (e.g. E270cdi, 38,000 miles Avantgarde 2003 on 03 plate).

One of the things Ford did with jaguar was to keep giving big discounts (or over generous part ex deals) and that way they killed the residuals. Did it here and even worse in the US. One of the reasons I gave up buying Fords years ago. Perhaps the new owner will change all that, eventually.

I do not have an E Class its a SLK350 the quote was against a high spec E Class 320 cdi.

There is nothing off the XF normally the car is so new but working for MOD we get a % off.

gary

 

[Rory]

MB was the worst quote (latest car) I had against a car that is being replaced in the very near future (E Class)

As the current E Class approaches its run-out phase DriveTheDeal is offering almost £7000 of E320CDi's, so the dealer is just being stupid.

It might be that my local dealer is rubbish on part Xs but as they own all MB sales for 100s of miles....

That can't be a good state of affairs for the consumer

 

[hawk20]

I do not have an E Class its a SLK350 the quote was against a high spec E Class 320 cdi.

There is nothing off the XF normally the car is so new but working for MOD we get a % off.

gary

Nice discount on a new model.

I thought the SLK held its value well. Do you mind saying what the details are (miles, reg, date etc etc, model) and I'll ask my friendly local dealer what they think.

One of the confusions that occur, is that some dealers like mine, first offer a part ex price and then separately haggle a discount. The part ex price is what it is really worth to them. They also phone round the trade and see what they will offer for it. Having got a price for the trade in, you then haggle a discount or free upgrades. I like the system

But other dealers, especially other makes, stick to list price on the new car but offer a very generous part ex figure. In effect they are simply adding the discount to the part ex figure. Can make customers feel good. "Gosh they offered £x for my 5 year old ---. Fabulous." But really it is the same.

 

[crockers]

True ....just look at the "cost to change"....forget p/x and discounts...

 

[gary350]

Nice discount on a new model.

I thought the SLK held its value well. Do you mind saying what the details are (miles, reg, date etc etc, model) and I'll ask my friendly local dealer what they think.

One of the confusions that occur, is that some dealers like mine, first offer a part ex price and then separately haggle a discount. The part ex price is what it is really worth to them. They also phone round the trade and see what they will offer for it. Having got a price for the trade in, you then haggle a discount or free upgrades. I like the system

But other dealers, especially other makes, stick to list price on the new car but offer a very generous part ex figure. In effect they are simply adding the discount to the part ex figure. Can make customers feel good. "Gosh they offered £x for my 5 year old ---. Fabulous." But really it is the same.

I put the car on the classified
http://mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=45083 yes the mileage is that low and the car is immaculate. All MB would give me off an E (£44K was about £2500 and their quote for the SLK was about £1K less than Jag offered so you see where Im coming from..

gary

 

[Rory]

True ....just look at the "cost to change"....forget p/x and discounts...

Agree - if the dealer is talking p/x, trade price, discounts etc etc, then he's deliberately trying to confuse the issue.

 

[hawk20]

I put the car on the classified
http://mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=45083 yes the mileage is that low and the car is immaculate. All MB would give me off an E (£44K was about £2500 and their quote for the SLK was about £1K less than Jag offered so you see where Im coming from..

gary

To be only £1k less than a Jaguar dealer is not bad is it?

The discount off the E sounds odd to me. They are offering free engine upgrades, auto etc etc at the moment. I guess in your case the problem is that you wanted to factory order did you? instead of taking one in stock with offers on them?

 

[gary350]

To be only £1k less than a Jaguar dealer is not bad is it?

The discount off the E sounds odd to me. They are offering free engine upgrades, auto etc etc at the moment. I guess in your case the problem is that you wanted to factory order did you? instead of taking one in stock with offers on them?

No against an E class in their system in fact at one of their own dealers (they have 5), they did offer me an E Class at just over £56K dearer than an S, I said no thanks. I see the annuoncement of the tata takeover is tomorrow, mmm not quite sure on that one. Awaiting a reply this afternoon on my deal with Jag.

PS wife wants me to buy the BMW 3 series convertible.

gary

 

[Venomous]

Good for her! LOL!

 

[Rory]

No against an E class in their system in fact at one of their own dealers (they have 5), they did offer me an E Class at just over £56K dearer than an S, I said no thanks. I see the annuoncement of the tata takeover is tomorrow, mmm not quite sure on that one. Awaiting a reply this afternoon on my deal with Jag.

I mentioned earlier in this thread that this would be car to consider a PCP on - Ask them to quote on a PCP - that will give you an indication of where they see residuals.

If the PCP looks good then I would be thinking seriously about grabbing it - let's face it, bigger cars are going to struggle more and more, and TATA buying them is unlikely to help matters.

 

[hawk20]

I mentioned earlier in this thread that this would be car to consider a PCP on - Ask them to quote on a PCP - that will give you an indication of where they see residuals.

If the PCP looks good then I would be thinking seriously about grabbing it - let's face it, bigger cars are going to struggle more and more, and TATA buying them is unlikely to help matters.

All queries to a call centre in Delhi from now on

 

[hawk20]

Heartbreaking to see the last vestiges of the once proud British car industry with such a rich history and heritage going finally down the drain.

Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, Armstrong Siddeley, Daimler, Lea Francis, AC, Humber, Hillman, Singer, Sunbeam, Standard, Triumph, Morris, Austin, Riley, Wolseley, MG, Austin Healey .... such wonderful brands, how on earth did we let it all go?

 

[TonyVianoAmbiente]

Heartbreaking to see the last vestiges of the once proud British car industry with such a rich history and heritage going finally down the drain.

As far as Jaguar is concerned, the day it went down the drain was when it was sold to Ford.

 

[Mactech]

As far as Jaguar is concerned, the day it went down the drain was when it was sold to Ford.

In my humble opinion it was Ford who tried to rescue a very sick cat from the horrible quagmire that was British Leyland
I was working for them at the time indirectly, trying to restore some credability to the brand at Le Mans

 

[verytalldave]

The last really GOOD Jag was the E type. And even that wasnt nice to drive.
If Dunns outfitters (remember them?) sold cars, they would be Jags.
They will never shake off the tweed jacket and pipe image of the XJ6.
Affordable luxury cars are now covered more than enough by Mercedes, BMW and Lexus. Jaguar have been muscled out of the game and will never return.

 

[Rory]

Unless something *very* weird happens, this will surely put many people off buying a new Jag, and just at a time when tax on bigger cars is increasing, fuel cost has inscreased and the economy is dodgy.

There may be some awesome deals on Jags over the next few months.

 

[TonyVianoAmbiente]

In my humble opinion it was Ford who tried to rescue a very sick cat from the horrible quagmire that was British Leyland

In the interests of accuracy, I should point out that Ford did no such thing.

Jaguar separated from British Leyland in 1984 and operated as an independent company, still under the chairmanship of John (later Sir John) Egan who was appointed to that position in 1980. Egan turned the company around, placing great emphasis on quality and reliability. The company was sold to Ford in 1989.

Jaguar's best years were probably those from 1984 to 1989 when the company was at last taken seriously in demanding markets such as Germany.

From the Brunel University web site:

"But the real challenge came in 1980 when., after a spell with Massey Ferguson, John Egan took on the chairmanship of a struggling Jaguar Cars. Even more than a Roller, a Jag has always been at the heart of every full-blooded Englishman. It is an understatement to say that John Egan totally rejuvenated Jaguar and restored it to that number one place in our hearts. Sentiment has little place in business and it is a mark of his success that Ford were prepared to pay no less than £1.6 billion for the company, sad as we were to see it go to the other side of the pond."

LINK TO WHOLE ARTICLE ON JOHN EGAN

Ford didn't "rescue" Jaguar, not by any remote stretch of the imagination. What Ford wanted was an opportunity to make luxury cars with a prestige brand name but with cheap, mediocre underpinnings such as chassis and engines from the Ford parts bin.

These were formerly Jaguar's strengths: under Ford ownership, these areas became Jaguar's weaknesses. And buyers quickly realised this and turned away from the brand.

Ford ownership was a *disaster* for Jaguar.

 

[hawk20]

Ford ownership was a *disaster* for Jaguar.

It was a bigger disaster for Ford. It lost money while they owned it and they have just sold it for half what they paid for it.

Here are some quotes from the AutoExpress road test on the XF: -
1. The ride is tauter than we expected, but this could be due to launch model’s large alloy wheels. The damping, however, is tuned to perfection. It isn’t soft and silent like a Mercedes, but still glides effortlessly over rough surfaces.

2. The XF is the beginning of a new era for Jaguar, despite being based on a modified version of the old S-Type’s platform.

3. Strong shoulder lines, a high rear and a shallow rear screen angle give it the stance of a coupe – although the slanted windscreen does restrict visibility and headroom.

4. However, despite the XF's lengthy body, packaging is weak. Rear headroom is only just tolerable, and legroom isn’t great.


In general it was a very favourable review but once again lack of legroom (no good to me) and lack of headroom. Can't they measure humans? To me it is the stupid triumph of form over function. Swooping peugeot type roof looks good to some, but ruins practicality.

 

[verytalldave]

Being around 6' 4" does rather restrict ones choice of car. Its all very well reading the reviews and falling in love with the car only then to find out that your head hits the roof even with the seat adjusted to its maximum point. If there is a car I rather fancy, I now ALWAYS go and sit in one before anything else. With that point taken care of, I can then proceed or not as the case maybe.
Surprisingly, its not always the smaller cars that are the worse - its often the other way round.
Did you know that Britains tallest man (who BTW lives near me) used to drive a Hillman Imp? So there you go.
When I test drove an X type, my head just brushed the headlining. Not good.
Mt C200K has ample headroom and could probably accomodate someone a good 4-6" taller than me before getting to its limit.

 

[hawk20]

Being around 6' 4" does rather restrict ones choice of car. Its all very well reading the reviews and falling in love with the car only then to find out that your head hits the roof even with the seat adjusted to its maximum point. If there is a car I rather fancy, I now ALWAYS go and sit in one before anything else. With that point taken care of, I can then proceed or not as the case maybe.
Surprisingly, its not always the smaller cars that are the worse - its often the other way round.
Did you know that Britains tallest man (who BTW lives near me) used to drive a Hillman Imp? So there you go.
When I test drove an X type, my head just brushed the headlining. Not good.
Mt C200K has ample headroom and could probably accomodate someone a good 4-6" taller than me before getting to its limit.

It is a real problem for many and one car reviewers just ignore. Body height can mean you hit the roof. And my problem -long legs- means you cannot get the seat back far enough to get the thigh supported.

One of the resons why Mercedes have for years been one of the only cars with space for all, and legroom enough for me, is that under the legendary Bruno Sacco they had two designers who were 6ft 6inches tall and he prided himself that Mercedes cars were big enough for them.

My A class has more legroom front and rear than any Jaguar I have sat in or driven, more than any BMW (the 5 and 7 are both quite short of legroom), any Toyota and more than the Lexus RX400. So do the C and E and S class.