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Journalist condones keying of Aston Martin

Jobless father who keyed £100k Aston Martin walks free after plea from the car's OWNER

Paul Cheston

An unemployed father who scraped his keys along a £100,000 Aston Martin walked free after its owner insisted he should be spared jail.

Gary Brissett, 48, was pushing his 13-month-old baby in a pram when he deliberately caused nearly £8,000 damage to the car.

Owner Oliver Hall had popped into shops before discovering damage down the full length of the passenger side of the car.

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I smell stereotyping here.

IME there are examples of people across the socio-economic spectrum who exhibit these sorts of attitudes in one way or another.

Of course I'm stereotyping, we're referring to a subset of this "socio-economic group" aren't we? Those who would cause damage to someone's expensive property for whatever reason they see fit.

I used to be homeless, sleeping rough aged 15 for just over six months, and know some of the very poorest in society and some would give you their last breath, others would rob you of yours, so yes, stereotyping, it's those stereotypes I'm referring to, not everyone that doesn't have much money. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough. :)
 
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It's the sense of entitlement that the poor seem to have.

Never mind the poor - if you really want to see a sense of entitlement then you need look no further than this year's leavers from the country's top public schools.
 
...It's the sense of entitlement that the poor seem to have...

Never mind the poor - if you really want to see a sense of entitlement then you need look no further than this year's leavers from the country's top public schools.

'Entitlement' is universal in that it exists in all walks of life.

But entitlement for what? You could argue that members of the Royal family have a sense of entitlement.

The thing is.... when we give to the poor, we expect them to be humble, meek, and grateful. We don't expect them to aggressively demand our handouts. Which is odd. Because we say 'you have the right to have it... but only is you say Please and Thank You'. Well they are either entitled to it... or they are not. It's our choice what we want to give to others. But once the right is given, we should accept and expect that it might then be asked, requested, or demanded.
 
'Entitlement' is universal in that it exists in all walks of life.

But entitlement for what? You could argue that members of the Royal family have a sense of entitlement.

I don't think there is any doubt that they have a sense of entitlement - and there are many examples of members of the family who have done little if anything in return for a lifetime of taxpayer-funded privilege.

And those who have been to a top public school fully expect access to the most popular courses at the leading universities, the best jobs in the most powerful and influential corporations, governmental bodies, or both.

And they are very rarely disappointed.
 
Entitlement? I did not watch the programme, but there was a trailer for something on TV recently with a girl saying "Just because I'm on benefits, why can't I have nice things?" or words to that effect.

I don't know whether anyone actually said to her: "Because what you define as nice things cost money, and you haven't got any money", but I suspect nobody actually did.

That's real life. Yes, it's unfair; why should it not be? It's an unfair world; sh1t happens. You play the cards you are dealt, and sometimes you get a rotten hand.
 
Entitlement? I did not watch the programme, but there was a trailer for something on TV recently with a girl saying "Just because I'm on benefits, why can't I have nice things?" or words to that effect.

I don't know whether anyone actually said to her: "Because what you define as nice things cost money, and you haven't got any money", but I suspect nobody actually did.

That's real life. Yes, it's unfair; why should it not be? It's an unfair world; sh1t happens. You play the cards you are dealt, and sometimes you get a rotten hand.

I shouted at the TV, "Because it's not your money you're spending, it's ours!" She didn't hear me though which is surprising!
I remember catching a few seconds of a Michael Portillo programme about the class system. He was at a flat door and the young woman, on being asked what class she thought she was immediately said, "Working Class," all proud as punch but looked bemused when it was pointed out she didn't and had never worked.
 
This is in fact part of a bigger issue.

It is OK to be gay. But why are we teaching about this in schools??? Well why not? It is either OK, or it isn't, but it can't be the illegitimate child that no-one wants to talk about.

Assylum Seekers... they have legal status in the UK. But when they are demanding their rights, we get apprehensive - why are you not humble and shy? Because they either have rights, or they don't, but if they do then they can very well demand them of they so choose.

Benefit claimants... the law says they are entitled to A B and C. Why should they beg? Or be grateful? Their entitlement in law is not conditional on their attitude.

Manners? Courtesy? Highly desireable traits no doubt,ablr unfortunately not a legal requirement as such....

I am all in favour of cutting state benefits in their current form and finding alternative ways of helping people. But until then - we can't tell people that they are entitled in law and them complain that they have a sense of entitlement....

My personal view, anyway.
 
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I am all in favour of cutting state benefits in their current form and finding alternative ways of helping people.

The problem with schemes to cut benefits and help people to find work is that they invariably involve lots of cutting and far too little help.

If the Government showed as much enthusiasm for tackling wealthy tax-avoiders (not giving them jobs as senior advisors would be a good start) as they do for cutting benefits for the poor then we would be living in a far more equitable society.
 
This is in fact part of a bigger issue.
It is OK to be gay. But why are we teaching about this in schools??? Well why not? It is either OK, or it isn't, but it can't be the illegitimate child that no-one wants to talk about.

Because while it is ok to be gay, not everyone agrees. So for schools it's not a binary "is it, or isn't it", unfortunately. So the majority miss out to avoid offending a minority.

Assylum Seekers... they have legal status in the UK. But when they are demanding their rights, we get apprehensive - why are you not humble and shy? Because they either have rights, or they don't, but if they do then they can very well demand them of they so choose.

I don't think it's the case that we are annoyed at the individuals, it's the fact that they are given everything on a plate from the taxpayer's pocket in the first place.

Obviously if you're 'entitled' to some tax credit, benefit or discount anyone would be mad not to take it, so those annoyed, I think are more annoyed at the system than the individuals, but the individuals are there, interfacing with them, so they get the brunt of the frustration. Like being annoyed at British Gas and having a go at the call centre operative!

Benefit claimants... the law says they are entitled to A B and C. Why should they beg? Or be grateful? Their entitlement in law is not conditional on their attitude.

we can't tell people that they are entitled in law and them complain that they have a sense of entitlement....

I think your interpretation of their sense of entitlement differs from what was meant. I fully agree if they are entitled, claim. But having an attitude then of entitlement, i.e 'why should I work? I can claim benefits', then also to moan their benefits isn't sufficient for their lifestyle is what gets people angry.

So one side of it is those angry at the system for entitling those who probably don't deserve it, money that then means they won't need to find work, and those angry at the attitudes of those who claim the money and see it as a way of life, with no desire to better themselves and be self sufficient.

My personal view, anyway.

Mine too. :thumb:
 
..I don't think it's the case that we are annoyed at the individuals, ....so those annoyed, I think are more annoyed at the system than the individuals, but the individuals are there, interfacing with them, so they get the brunt of the frustration....


...having an attitude then of entitlement, i.e 'why should I work? I can claim benefits', then also to moan their benefits isn't sufficient for their lifestyle is what gets people angry.

I agree, and I think that in either case it's the system we put in place that is mainly at fault here - people are just being people... some have a more active moral compass than others, but ultimately it's all down to natural variance in human behaviour.

The solution (if feasible) is to put in place a system that does NOT rely chiefly on people's good nature or their inherent sense of right and wrong. We should assume that if a system can be 'played', some will......
 
I made a complaint to the IPSO about this article and what a waste of time that was. here is the response I have just received.


"I write further to our earlier email regarding your complaint about an article headlined “Joys of pootling along in the car”, published by the Herald on 11 September 2015. The Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) has received a number of complaints about this article. In order to be able to respond in a timely manner, we have prepared a response which deals with the various concerns raised by complainants.

On receipt of a complaint, IPSO’s Executive reviews it to ensure that it falls within our remit, and discloses a possible breach of the Editors’ Code of Practice. The Executive has now completed an assessment of the complaints about the article under the terms of the Code, and has concluded that the complaints received do not raise a possible breach of the Code.

Many complainants said that the article was in breach of Clause 1 (Accuracy) because it was inaccurate to suggest that all drivers of high performance sports cars are inconsiderate drivers, and also, that it was inaccurate of the article to state that causing criminal damage to a vehicle was acceptable behaviour. Clause 1 (iii) of the Code states that “the Press, whilst free to be partisan, must distinguish clearly between comment, conjecture and fact”. The article in question was clearly presented, in both tone and style, as an opinion piece; it also appeared in the ‘opinion’ section of the newspaper and website. The writer was entitled to be partisan in her views and, as such, the article did not raise a possible breach of Clause 1 (iii).

There were also a number of complainants who said that the article was inaccurate in breach of Clause 1 because that the car that had been keyed was an Aston Martin Vanquish, not an “Aston Martin V8 Vanquish”. While we acknowledge the concerns in relation to the precise name of the car, in the context of the article as a whole, readers would not have been significantly misled by the discrepancies between the actual name of the car, and how it was described in the article. As such, your complaint did not raise a possible breach of Clause 1.

A number of complainants said that the article breached Clause 2 (Opportunity to reply), because they had not been able to comment on the article, either on the publication’s website or Facebook page, after publication. Firstly, we should also make you aware that the moderation of the comments section on the publication’s website, or Facebook page, is a matter of editorial discretion. Secondly, the terms of Clause 2 provide the opportunity to respond to published inaccuracies. Since we had not established any inaccuracies in the article, we did not consider that the terms of Clause 2 were engaged in this instance.

Many complainants said that Clause 4 (Harassment) had been breached because the article contained sentiments that would have harassed owners of expensive cars. We should make clear that the terms of Clause 4 generally relate to the conduct of journalists during the newsgathering process, and are designed to protect individuals from unwanted or repeated approaches by the press. The concerns that the article contained sentiments that would have harassed owners of expensive cars did not engage the terms of the Code, and did not therefore raise a possible breach of Clause 4.

We received a number of complaints that Clause 9 (Reporting of crime) had been breached because the article represented an incitement to cause criminal damage. Firstly, we should make you aware that the terms of Clause 9 relate to the identification of relatives and friends of persons convicted or accused of crime. As the complaints did not relate to the relatives and friends of persons convicted or accused of crime, the terms of Clause 9 were not engaged. Secondly, we should make complainants aware that IPSO only considers concerns framed under the Editors’ Code of Practice and cannot offer advice on legal matters, such as incitement to cause crime.

A number of complainants said that Clause 12 (Discrimination) had been breached because the article had discriminated against owners of high performance sports vehicles, as well as people with high social standing. The terms of Clause 12 are designed to protect identified individuals mentioned by the press against discrimination on the basis of their race, colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation or any physical or mental illness or disability, and do not apply to groups or categories of people. Your concern that the article was discriminatory towards owners of high performance sports vehicles, and people with high social standing, did not fall into one of the categories covered by the terms of the Clause. In addition, your concern that the article was discriminatory towards owners of high performance sports vehicles in general did not relate to an individual. Therefore, these complaints did not raise a possible breach of Clause 12.

Some complainants said that Clause 16 (Payment to criminals) had been breached because the article condoned criminal acts, and that the writer had sought to exploit a crime, and to glorify or glamorise crime. The terms of Clause 16 state that “payment or offers of payment for stories, pictures or information, which seek to exploit a particular crime or to glorify or glamorise crime in general, must not be made directly or via agents to convicted or confessed criminals or to their associates - who may include family, friends and colleagues”. In this case, there was no suggestion from any complainant that the writer was a convicted or confessed criminal, nor an associate of one, and the terms of Clause 16 were not engaged.

You are entitled to request that the Executive’s decision to reject your complaint be reviewed by IPSO’s Complaints Committee. To do so you will need to write to us within seven days, setting out the reasons why you believe the decision should be reviewed. Please note that we are unable to accept requests for review made more than seven days following the date of this email.

We would like to thank you for giving us the opportunity to consider the points you have raised, and have shared this correspondence with the newspaper to make it aware of your concerns.

Best wishes,

Ciaran Cronin

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It looks like a pretty thorough investigation to me.
 
Entitlement? I did not watch the programme, but there was a trailer for something on TV recently with a girl saying "Just because I'm on benefits, why can't I have nice things?" or words to that effect.

I don't know whether anyone actually said to her: "Because what you define as nice things cost money, and you haven't got any money", but I suspect nobody actually did.

That's real life. Yes, it's unfair; why should it not be? It's an unfair world; sh1t happens. You play the cards you are dealt, and sometimes you get a rotten hand.

Perhaps part of the problem is that since birth that young woman has been indoctrinated by advertising that the route to personal happiness is the acquisition of material goods? Its a testimony to its effectiveness that this message has effectively blurred her reality. For the fortunate with a degree of wealth this isn't a problem but for the people who don't possess the requisite "purchasing power " the inevitable result is discontentment and unhappiness and perhaps a nagging sense of "entitlement" . :dk:


p s One example of an alternative world view might be El Systema which uses music to give a lot of kids in poverty a sense of self worth. https://www.elsistemausa.org/el-sistema-in-venezuela.htm I'm sure there are others
 
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Many complainants said that Clause 4 (Harassment) had been breached because the article contained sentiments that would have harassed owners of expensive cars. We should make clear that the terms of Clause 4 generally relate to the conduct of journalists during the newsgathering process, and are designed to protect individuals from unwanted or repeated approaches by the press. The concerns that the article contained sentiments that would have harassed owners of expensive cars did not engage the terms of the Code, and did not therefore raise a possible breach of Clause 4.

Quite agree; what a waste of time. "The wording of Clause 4 Harassment

i) Journalists must not engage in intimidation, harassment or persistent pursuit
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**There is no mention of "in person" at all in this section, the devious bar stewards.

The press are full of slippery, self serving weasels and so it appears is the regulatory body. Is it time to pass the matter onto the legal authorities….an allegation of inciting a criminal act, perhaps.

EDIT: In the meantime, I have appealed the decision based on there being no mention of "in person" in Clause 4. Probably a waste of time but worth a try.
 
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If I key a car and my defence is 'a journalist told me to do it', will the court view me favourably?
Or, will it tell me to 'get real, learn to read context in journalism' and convict me?
 

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